I agree absolutely with you in regard to desparately needing a replacement for the old 4.79 app, to bring it into compliance with the newer Boinc clients. :-)
I don't think we disagree at all. I am not so much advocating that 0.18 become "official" as I am advocating that something besides v.479 become "official". But I am advocating that it happens ASAP - else we will continue to frustrate and discourage new users. And, given "who's left" at Seti Classic, I doubt that many of them will care to delve into the issues being discussed here. They will simply expect everything to work like it's supposed to.
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I see no good reason why we should settle for a replacement that is less efficient. IMO, there is still some tweaking needed to 0.18 before accepting it as the official replacement, that's all. It's just not good enough yet. It still "feels" like a rough, stopgap measure.
The Beta has worked flawlessly for me - albeit a little slower. It's v4.79 that has the problems (ATI, BOINC library, etc.) Sure, 0.18 could be improved. But, it's better than what we have now (cause it has fewer bugs).
Given BOINC's recent history with 5.2.X, I would think it would be OK to start with 0.18 and change to 0.19, 0.20, . . . 0.nn as improvements are made. I would just like to see some action.
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If the 0.18 beta as is becomes the de facto app, automatically being downloaded and replacing something that works well for me and 1000s of others, it will leave me with a difficult choice, to crunch Einstein with 0.18 or not at all, and I'm not prepared to say on which side of that dilemma I would fall. I'm very sorry to say that.
I think it's time for another "Now, now Michael". You know you love this place as much as the rest of us do. And we all want improvement. We just differ on methods for getting there.
Another thought, if there really are a lot of v4.79 die hards like yourself, why couldn't Einstein offer an "anonymous platform" installation of it - where it would be installed like the Beta app is installed now. It seems like that would be relatively easy to do.
If it is decided to make the 0.18 version the default I would like to request some means of opting out. May be something similar to the method used to run the Beta versions only in reverse. In my setup I don't encounter any of the bugs that make 4.79 so objectionable to others. I would rather not loose the efficiency of 4.79.
I'm not convinced that 0.18 is ready for prime-time: I'm using 0.18 . . .
. . . and am not able to see the screensaver graphics. My screen saver shows either a blank screen or BOINC system status:
I also cannot use the "Show Graphics" button from within BOINC itself.
I'm willing to believe that this is some kind of configuration error, as I do not have a long history of experience with BOINC. However, I need help to troubleshoot this.
11/14/2005 10:35:11 AM||Starting BOINC client version 4.45 for windows_intelx86
11/14/2005 10:35:12 AM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM|Einstein@Home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM|Einstein@Home|Computer ID: 407144; location: home; project prefs: default
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM||General prefs: from Einstein@Home (last modified 2005-09-09 12:46:11)
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM||Remote control not allowed; using loopback address
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM|Einstein@Home|Resuming computation for result w1_0906.0__0906.1_0.1_T11_S4hC_1 using einstein version 0.18
After some good results with Beta 0.18 there suddenly pops up an error again,
Computer wasn't doeing anything but Einstein, Screensaver was not active anymore for a long time as I can remember,
Result ID 11108803
Name l1_0732.5__0732.8_0.1_T10_S4lC_0
Workunit 2635152
Created 16 Nov 2005 1:58:19 UTC
Sent 17 Nov 2005 11:43:31 UTC
Received 17 Nov 2005 18:19:12 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Client error
Client state Computing
Exit status -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
Computer ID 440629
Report deadline 1 Dec 2005 11:43:31 UTC
CPU time 19775.09375
stderr out
5.2.6
- exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
Failed to open checkpoint-file for writing. Exiting.
***UNHANDLED EXCEPTION****
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x7C91433A read attempt to address 0xFFFFFFFC
0: Stackwalker not initialized (or was not able to initialize)!
Validate state Invalid
Claimed credit 37.8195676762093
Granted credit 0
application version 0.18
After some good results with Beta 0.18 there suddenly pops up an error again,
Computer wasn't doeing anything but Einstein, Screensaver was not active anymore for a long time as I can remember,
Hi John,
Are you saying you aren't running the BOINC screensaver (its set to something other than BOINC) or that the BOINC screensaver had been running but not at the time the error occurred? And how long is "a long time"?
Version 0.18 is supposed to fix the "graphics bug" but perhaps this is another variation of it. I'd like to find out more about this bug, would you mind sending BOINCs message logs to me? Those are the files "stdoutdae.txt" and "stderrdae.txt" in the BOINC folder, send them to wgdebug at yahoo.com.
Version 0.18 is supposed to fix the "graphics bug" but perhaps this is another variation of it. I'd like to find out more about this bug, would you mind sending BOINCs message logs to me? Those are the files "stdoutdae.txt" and "stderrdae.txt" in the BOINC folder, send them to wgdebug at yahoo.com.
Thanks,
Walt
Hi Walt,
The Log files are mailed, Screensaver was selected but not active anymore.
Version 0.18 is supposed to fix the "graphics bug" but perhaps this is another variation of it. I'd like to find out more about this bug, would you mind sending BOINCs message logs to me? Those are the files "stdoutdae.txt" and "stderrdae.txt" in the BOINC folder, send them to wgdebug at yahoo.com.
Thanks,
Walt
Hi Walt,
The Log files are mailed, Screensaver was selected but not active anymore.
John
Got them, thanks.
A quick question - what display adapter is in the machine and how current are the drivers?
A quick question - what display adapter is in the machine and how current are the drivers?
Walt
Walt,
Just plain all in one Intel board, VGA controller is a 82845G Brookdale-G chipset (rev3), WinXP SP2 + latest Updates. (No specific drivers updated from Intel I believe,will check later,dual boot machine compiling some linux stuff at the moment)
RE: I agree absolutely
)
I don't think we disagree at all. I am not so much advocating that 0.18 become "official" as I am advocating that something besides v.479 become "official". But I am advocating that it happens ASAP - else we will continue to frustrate and discourage new users. And, given "who's left" at Seti Classic, I doubt that many of them will care to delve into the issues being discussed here. They will simply expect everything to work like it's supposed to.
The Beta has worked flawlessly for me - albeit a little slower. It's v4.79 that has the problems (ATI, BOINC library, etc.) Sure, 0.18 could be improved. But, it's better than what we have now (cause it has fewer bugs).
Given BOINC's recent history with 5.2.X, I would think it would be OK to start with 0.18 and change to 0.19, 0.20, . . . 0.nn as improvements are made. I would just like to see some action.
I think it's time for another "Now, now Michael". You know you love this place as much as the rest of us do. And we all want improvement. We just differ on methods for getting there.
Another thought, if there really are a lot of v4.79 die hards like yourself, why couldn't Einstein offer an "anonymous platform" installation of it - where it would be installed like the Beta app is installed now. It seems like that would be relatively easy to do.
If it is decided to make the
)
If it is decided to make the 0.18 version the default I would like to request some means of opting out. May be something similar to the method used to run the Beta versions only in reverse. In my setup I don't encounter any of the bugs that make 4.79 so objectionable to others. I would rather not loose the efficiency of 4.79.
I'm not convinced that 0.18
)
I'm not convinced that 0.18 is ready for prime-time: I'm using 0.18 . . .
. . . and am not able to see the screensaver graphics. My screen saver shows either a blank screen or BOINC system status:
I also cannot use the "Show Graphics" button from within BOINC itself.
I'm willing to believe that this is some kind of configuration error, as I do not have a long history of experience with BOINC. However, I need help to troubleshoot this.
11/14/2005 10:35:11 AM||Starting BOINC client version 4.45 for windows_intelx86
11/14/2005 10:35:12 AM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM|Einstein@Home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM|Einstein@Home|Computer ID: 407144; location: home; project prefs: default
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM||General prefs: from Einstein@Home (last modified 2005-09-09 12:46:11)
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM||Remote control not allowed; using loopback address
11/14/2005 10:35:13 AM|Einstein@Home|Resuming computation for result w1_0906.0__0906.1_0.1_T11_S4hC_1 using einstein version 0.18
Message to Gary
)
Message to Gary Roberts,
After some good results with Beta 0.18 there suddenly pops up an error again,
Computer wasn't doeing anything but Einstein, Screensaver was not active anymore for a long time as I can remember,
Result ID 11108803
Name l1_0732.5__0732.8_0.1_T10_S4lC_0
Workunit 2635152
Created 16 Nov 2005 1:58:19 UTC
Sent 17 Nov 2005 11:43:31 UTC
Received 17 Nov 2005 18:19:12 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Client error
Client state Computing
Exit status -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
Computer ID 440629
Report deadline 1 Dec 2005 11:43:31 UTC
CPU time 19775.09375
stderr out
5.2.6
- exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)
Failed to open checkpoint-file for writing. Exiting.
***UNHANDLED EXCEPTION****
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x7C91433A read attempt to address 0xFFFFFFFC
0: Stackwalker not initialized (or was not able to initialize)!
Validate state Invalid
Claimed credit 37.8195676762093
Granted credit 0
application version 0.18
John,
RE: Message to Gary
)
Hi John,
Are you saying you aren't running the BOINC screensaver (its set to something other than BOINC) or that the BOINC screensaver had been running but not at the time the error occurred? And how long is "a long time"?
Version 0.18 is supposed to fix the "graphics bug" but perhaps this is another variation of it. I'd like to find out more about this bug, would you mind sending BOINCs message logs to me? Those are the files "stdoutdae.txt" and "stderrdae.txt" in the BOINC folder, send them to wgdebug at yahoo.com.
Thanks,
Walt
RE: Hi John, Version 0.18
)
Hi Walt,
The Log files are mailed, Screensaver was selected but not active anymore.
John
John,
RE: RE: Hi
)
Got them, thanks.
A quick question - what display adapter is in the machine and how current are the drivers?
Walt
RE: A quick question -
)
Walt,
Just plain all in one Intel board, VGA controller is a 82845G Brookdale-G chipset (rev3), WinXP SP2 + latest Updates. (No specific drivers updated from Intel I believe,will check later,dual boot machine compiling some linux stuff at the moment)
John
John,
For John:
)
For John: [url=http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=757&OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professional〈=eng&strOSs=44&submit=Go%21]direct link to download Intel 845 chipset drivers[/url].
Looks like there is a newer graphics driver.
RE: For John:
)
Jord,
Thanks, they are indeed very recent, will give it a try later, maybe it's the solution to the problem,
John,