I agree also about the PowerPC chip being better. But I put my plans on the shelf to buy another Mac because of the announced change. I have owned abandoned hardware before, not going to do that again.
yeah. Nobody wants to be the person who bought the last betamax.
But where I disagree is that the Apple takes USB, it runs an OS that will be compatible with future Apples and with future Linuces (is that the plural?). To me it would be nice to have what will probably be the best ever Apple of all time (if results are adjusted for contemporary marketplace). It's hypothetical in my case - I can't afford one, and will most likely have to wait till I can get one second hand in a few years time.
yeah. Nobody wants to be the person who bought the last betamax.
But where I disagree is that the Apple takes USB, it runs an OS that will be compatible with future Apples and with future Linuces (is that the plural?). To me it would be nice to have what will probably be the best ever Apple of all time (if results are adjusted for contemporary marketplace). It's hypothetical in my case - I can't afford one, and will most likely have to wait till I can get one second hand in a few years time.
Well, my INTENT was to gradually move over to all Macintosh. But, if I have 2 or 3, and some are PowerPC, well, I can't buy a 3-pack upgrade for the office or the OS. So, my suspicion is that the OS upgrades will be some for PowerPC and some for the new Intel. Regardless, I can sit this out and see what they do in the next couple years.
To be honest, I think it is a mistake, one of the differention things was that the HW and software is different, if only the OS, well, why buy Apple? I mean it is good, but it is not that good. So, I can wait. I will buy some more Xeons and see if they get their act together ... the mistake he made, is that it is now a 2-3 year road map, and anyone with sense is gonna sit this one out ...
~~gravywavy, Mr. Buck,
On all points I have to agree with both of you, I have always use what I call a "basic install" with windows, and my hardware selection is always older somewhat proven stuff, never any high end hardware.
It genraly makes for a miore stable, and forgiven system. Still the system needs to be taken down, Scandisk, and Defrag run just so it will keep going for a few days.
Windows seems from some of the posting here and else where works well if it doesn't have to do too much "thinking". Start loading it up and the OS begins to studder and stammer at the work load
Heck, I would not mind that ... windows has never been a real good OS for multitasking ... OS/2 was much better ... even though the MS designed single thread for all I/O could cause problems ... but with SP 4, OS/2 Warp had no operational bug I could find ...
What annoys the heck out of me is that Windows degrades even if you don't do anyting but run BOINC on the machine ... now I run the computers till they get flaky, then format C: and install new and start over... I get about 6 mos to a year ... then poof!
And it is PAUL! Dang it ... I am old, but not THAT old ...
Heck, I would not mind that ... windows has never been a real good OS for multitasking
[hobbyhorse]
Those last two words are redundant, IMHO. At best (win-2000) it is a hobby/games platform that just about reaches acceptable levels of professional performance. 90% of the worlds websites are on Linux, not because of the cost of licensing thatis peanuts, but because of the fact that Linux is so reliable. Before the recent power outage on my estate, our webserver mailserver and firewall all had uptimes of ~ 450 days, how often d'you see thay on a Win box?
Where MS wins hands down over Linux is on superior user support - both the on-machine help facilities and the paid for help lines are excellent, and again the companies that pay for these don't find the charges an issue. That is where MS wins on the 'total cost of ownership' analysis.
Suse was aiming to get to offer the same kind of level of support for Linux: and was steadily heading that way. The takeover by Novell, another company with good user support is a very good sign, and makes me even more confident it will happen. A few more years and the best OS will still be Linux, and it will come with the best paid-for support as well. Once that stage is reached: no contest, MS's life will be defined by corporate inertia.
[/hobbyhorse]
And it is PAUL! Dang it ... I am old, but not THAT old ...
Paul, if this happens with someone else (and it will from time to time) the clearest way to stop it is to quote the "Mr Buck" bit in a separate posting, and reply 'Please, call me Paul' or 'Please, I prefer Paul'. End of posting. That way the invitation won't get overlooked in a mass of technical stuff.
But I took the 'Mr' as a mark of respect for your expertise, not as a comment on your age (about which I have no idea). From the tone of all Greg's postings that is clearly the way he meant it.
Greg, OK, some of us here know more than others. It is great that you respect the knowledge I have, but that does not follow through to mean I want respect on a person-to-person basis as well.
I'd prefer we think of ourselves as equals because we are all volunteers here, rather than as unequal because the particular things we have to offer are different. I am guessing that Paul feels roughly the same way as I do.
course it should, yet few people (not even its supporters) want to be left with technically better kit when the lower standard wins out - impossible to buy tapes for it, etc etc. That's how many Apple fans feel now about the move to x86
I did not mean to be harsh, but failed. Sorry, one of my hot buttons...
When I was in school I had a professor that was "Doctor Seid", trouble was, he was an idiot. People that stand on their credentials and titles usually have nothing else ...
I came close to pointing out to the said "Doctor" that I was properly called (at the time) "Senior Chief Buck", and that it was a heck of a lot harder to become a Senior Chief in the US Navy than it was to get a doctorate.
So, sorry, I should not have snapped at you like that ...
I prefer Paul, because we are in this together. Explorers in a far distant land with lions and tigers and bears... Most of my expertise is from a lifetime of avid reading and remembering what I read. In BOINC, I read the message boards and learn from the people like JKeck, John McLeod VII, and others ... You can see, if you read enough of my site (old one in particular) where I assign source to some other person ... Yes I edited it some, but the understanding came from others. I reseach and steal from the masters ...
Anyway, all else flows from my current life state (Asperger's Syndrome {Autism coupled with above average intelligence, giving me two strikes} => mild anxiety disorder => anxiety disorder => depression => Panic disorder => long list of physical symptoms, like inability to walk, talk, or type that the Neurologists say are psychological and the psychiatrists say are organic and I say they are all idiots). I say this not for pity as I regret nothing I have done, nor really mind the current disability because there are compensations...
Being fully disabled allows me the luxury to work on something I am passionate about, BOINC. And that makes all else worth while ... so, any accolade should be tempered by the realization that I can dedicate 8-15 hours a day to BOINC, when most people can only do 10-15 minutes ... :)
Just food for thought ...
And call me anything you like, just not late for dinner ... but I VASTLY prefer the informality because we are "ship-mates" and I would like it to be no other way ...
RE: I agree also about the
)
yeah. Nobody wants to be the person who bought the last betamax.
But where I disagree is that the Apple takes USB, it runs an OS that will be compatible with future Apples and with future Linuces (is that the plural?). To me it would be nice to have what will probably be the best ever Apple of all time (if results are adjusted for contemporary marketplace). It's hypothetical in my case - I can't afford one, and will most likely have to wait till I can get one second hand in a few years time.
~~gravywavy
RE: yeah. Nobody wants to
)
Well, my INTENT was to gradually move over to all Macintosh. But, if I have 2 or 3, and some are PowerPC, well, I can't buy a 3-pack upgrade for the office or the OS. So, my suspicion is that the OS upgrades will be some for PowerPC and some for the new Intel. Regardless, I can sit this out and see what they do in the next couple years.
To be honest, I think it is a mistake, one of the differention things was that the HW and software is different, if only the OS, well, why buy Apple? I mean it is good, but it is not that good. So, I can wait. I will buy some more Xeons and see if they get their act together ... the mistake he made, is that it is now a 2-3 year road map, and anyone with sense is gonna sit this one out ...
~~gravywavy, Mr. Buck, On all
)
~~gravywavy, Mr. Buck,
On all points I have to agree with both of you, I have always use what I call a "basic install" with windows, and my hardware selection is always older somewhat proven stuff, never any high end hardware.
It genraly makes for a miore stable, and forgiven system. Still the system needs to be taken down, Scandisk, and Defrag run just so it will keep going for a few days.
Windows seems from some of the posting here and else where works well if it doesn't have to do too much "thinking". Start loading it up and the OS begins to studder and stammer at the work load
Greg
Heck, I would not mind that
)
Heck, I would not mind that ... windows has never been a real good OS for multitasking ... OS/2 was much better ... even though the MS designed single thread for all I/O could cause problems ... but with SP 4, OS/2 Warp had no operational bug I could find ...
What annoys the heck out of me is that Windows degrades even if you don't do anyting but run BOINC on the machine ... now I run the computers till they get flaky, then format C: and install new and start over... I get about 6 mos to a year ... then poof!
And it is PAUL! Dang it ... I am old, but not THAT old ...
RE: Heck, I would not mind
)
[hobbyhorse]
Those last two words are redundant, IMHO. At best (win-2000) it is a hobby/games platform that just about reaches acceptable levels of professional performance. 90% of the worlds websites are on Linux, not because of the cost of licensing thatis peanuts, but because of the fact that Linux is so reliable. Before the recent power outage on my estate, our webserver mailserver and firewall all had uptimes of ~ 450 days, how often d'you see thay on a Win box?
Where MS wins hands down over Linux is on superior user support - both the on-machine help facilities and the paid for help lines are excellent, and again the companies that pay for these don't find the charges an issue. That is where MS wins on the 'total cost of ownership' analysis.
Suse was aiming to get to offer the same kind of level of support for Linux: and was steadily heading that way. The takeover by Novell, another company with good user support is a very good sign, and makes me even more confident it will happen. A few more years and the best OS will still be Linux, and it will come with the best paid-for support as well. Once that stage is reached: no contest, MS's life will be defined by corporate inertia.
[/hobbyhorse]
~~gravywavy
RE: yeah. Nobody wants to
)
That was me... ;)
Don't you hate it when the superior format looses? :(
RE: And it is PAUL! Dang it
)
Paul, if this happens with someone else (and it will from time to time) the clearest way to stop it is to quote the "Mr Buck" bit in a separate posting, and reply 'Please, call me Paul' or 'Please, I prefer Paul'. End of posting. That way the invitation won't get overlooked in a mass of technical stuff.
But I took the 'Mr' as a mark of respect for your expertise, not as a comment on your age (about which I have no idea). From the tone of all Greg's postings that is clearly the way he meant it.
Greg, OK, some of us here know more than others. It is great that you respect the knowledge I have, but that does not follow through to mean I want respect on a person-to-person basis as well.
I'd prefer we think of ourselves as equals because we are all volunteers here, rather than as unequal because the particular things we have to offer are different. I am guessing that Paul feels roughly the same way as I do.
~~gravywavy
Hi ~~gravywavy, Hi Paul,
)
Hi ~~gravywavy, Hi Paul, hello Heffed,
Betamax should have been the standard, still is in broadcast...thank you Paul.
Greg
RE: Betamax should have
)
course it should, yet few people (not even its supporters) want to be left with technically better kit when the lower standard wins out - impossible to buy tapes for it, etc etc. That's how many Apple fans feel now about the move to x86
~~gravywavy
I did not mean to be harsh,
)
I did not mean to be harsh, but failed. Sorry, one of my hot buttons...
When I was in school I had a professor that was "Doctor Seid", trouble was, he was an idiot. People that stand on their credentials and titles usually have nothing else ...
I came close to pointing out to the said "Doctor" that I was properly called (at the time) "Senior Chief Buck", and that it was a heck of a lot harder to become a Senior Chief in the US Navy than it was to get a doctorate.
So, sorry, I should not have snapped at you like that ...
I prefer Paul, because we are in this together. Explorers in a far distant land with lions and tigers and bears... Most of my expertise is from a lifetime of avid reading and remembering what I read. In BOINC, I read the message boards and learn from the people like JKeck, John McLeod VII, and others ... You can see, if you read enough of my site (old one in particular) where I assign source to some other person ... Yes I edited it some, but the understanding came from others. I reseach and steal from the masters ...
Anyway, all else flows from my current life state (Asperger's Syndrome {Autism coupled with above average intelligence, giving me two strikes} => mild anxiety disorder => anxiety disorder => depression => Panic disorder => long list of physical symptoms, like inability to walk, talk, or type that the Neurologists say are psychological and the psychiatrists say are organic and I say they are all idiots). I say this not for pity as I regret nothing I have done, nor really mind the current disability because there are compensations...
Being fully disabled allows me the luxury to work on something I am passionate about, BOINC. And that makes all else worth while ... so, any accolade should be tempered by the realization that I can dedicate 8-15 hours a day to BOINC, when most people can only do 10-15 minutes ... :)
Just food for thought ...
And call me anything you like, just not late for dinner ... but I VASTLY prefer the informality because we are "ship-mates" and I would like it to be no other way ...