but this system of distribution of Boinc much equipment is not operational ago
This is not a Drupal-related issue. Your team is affected by a data mismatch between the central BOINC team database and our DB. We'll look into that.
Ok, apparently you deleted and re-created your BOINC-wide team (on 14 Feb 2016). This is not supported by BOINC, among other things like changing its name, founder or the founder's email address. This is why your new BOINC-wide team and the old one at Einstein@Home "lost contact".
In my personal opinion BOINC-wide teams are a half-implemented hack by BOINC and changing those creates more work than they help to avoid.
Anyhow, I updated your new global team ID locally such that it'll be synchronized again.
The "weirdness" happens sometime at the "execute" of step 6, where the account tab is available and a login attempt with password has not been made... yep.. possible that I was really logged in already and it just decided to go ahead and grant me access. (which explains why the Banana Pi/Raspbian browser didn't take the "short cut")
Hm, I can't reproduce that. As long as I'm properly locked before I start the password reset I don't get into my account unless I'm using the reset link (one-time-login) or login as usual again. Could it be that you visited our site by different URLs like others before? There might have been a cookie floating around the kept you logged in...
Best, Oliver
I can accept that. Athought, for this account, I cannot login directly on any machine or device. The only way to get into this account is to go through the reset password function.
Since I can login on my other accounts via user email & password on any of my machines or devices, I accept that this is not likely a website problem but a specific account issue.
Hm, your account looks fine to me. You could test things with a different browser or try your standard browser but empty its cache and remove all cookies. Then start over by going to https://einsteinathome.org.
It seems the system creates global computing preferences when you just open the according dialogue. Now I have a set of preferences that I never wanted, I don't see a way to delete it, and it's propagating.
It seems the system creates global computing preferences when you just open the according dialogue. Now I have a set of preferences that I never wanted, I don't see a way to delete it, and it's propagating.
Sorry for the late response. Personally I think it's better to have BOINC be controlled by the preferences set on the Web. I find it easier to manage, especially if you have multiple computers. However, since the Web site change, the information is in a few different places.
Account > Preferences > Computing
This set of pages will set your preferences for different "preference sets", that is home, work, generic, etc. Adjusting the settings you want and click Save Changes. Generic is the "Default" preference set.
Account > Preferences> Project
This set of preferences sets BOINC preferences for a specific project, i.e., Einstein@Home.
Account > Dashboard > Computers (Box)
Click on the name of the computer(s) you want to adjust and at the bottom of the page there is a drop-down box for "Location", which is where you choose which set of preferences that computer uses.
Finally, in your BOINC manager you can go to the "Projects" Tab and click "Update", which will set the downloaded preferences and set them on a local computer.
Thanks for your response, and I don't think it's late.
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Personally I think it's better to have BOINC be controlled by the preferences set on the Web. I find it easier to manage, especially if you have multiple computers.
I have a different view on this. I'm participating in several projects, and at every project you can have multiple sets of preferences. On top of that, the same computer can be assigned different locations at different projects. This is all too confusing and thus error-prone. There may be strict rules behind all that, but with the information available to me this is just unpredictable. So I decided to use local settings only, and indeed I have never actively set global preferences at any project.
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Account > Preferences > Computing
This is the one I'm talking about. If you just open this page, and you don't have global preferences yet, a set is created and saved. Just what I never wanted, and I didn't expect it to happen automatically.
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Finally, in your BOINC manager you can go to the "Projects" Tab and click "Update", which will set the downloaded preferences and set them on a local computer.
Not exactly so. Fortunately the local settings override the global ones by default. But you can change this and I'm afraid I could accidentally do so. I still would prefer not to have global settings at all, but I don't think there's a way to undo them.
My point is, the automatic creation of settings should be removed, as it is unexpected behaviour, cannot be undone, and is probably not even intended this way.
So I decided to use local settings only, and indeed I have never actively set global preferences at any project.
Hm, unusual but interesting approach. The problem with not saving the initial set of preferences is that you get shown a set of preferences that aren't actually defined yet and there's no way for you to tell the difference - that's what the stock BOINC webcode does IIRC, and I think that's confusing. I think that's the reason we thought to improve on that such that "what you see is what you get". But yes, this precludes the model you're using. We're going to think about this and try to find a way. In the meantime I removed your global prefs but, as you said, BOINC doesn't support the propagation of preference removal so this is (most likely) not going to help in the long run.
So I decided to use local settings only, and indeed I have never actively set global preferences at any project.
Hm, unusual but interesting approach.
That view surprises me. If I want to control how my local computers work, I make changes locally, not through some remote web service. To me that's the obvious way to do it.
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The problem with not saving the initial set of preferences is that you get shown a set of preferences that aren't actually defined yet and there's no way for you to tell the difference - that's what the stock BOINC webcode does IIRC, and I think that's confusing.
Hm, I can honestly say that I've never been confused by this. But that's probably because I usually know where I've made changes and where I haven't. (And that's a reason why I try to keep my settings as centralized as possible.)
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In the meantime I removed your global prefs but, as you said, BOINC doesn't support the propagation of preference removal so this is (most likely) not going to help in the long run.
Thanks for trying, but it seems the clients remember the settings and where they originate from. Even if I knew enough about state files to safely edit them, the global preferences would probably just be restored by some other project that has picked them up by now. I'll have to be careful not to use them.
That view surprises me. If I want to control how my local computers work, I make changes locally, not through some remote web service. To me that's the obvious way to do it.
I wouldn'tdisagree with you, typically. However, by "unusual" I referred to the BOINC universe which is different than local desktop apps. As "global" prefs are meant to be used across projects they are propagated between the projects, via your client. That's why I consider the web prefs the default and the local prefs the exception - at least for volunteers that support more than one project. Also, your local prefs override the web prefs by default, unless you choose to change that. That means your use case it still covered, even if web prefs are defined. Why would "accidentally" change the local override precedence?
Having said that, personally I think BOINC's whole preference handling should be redesigned as it's inherently complex, confusing and often even brittle.
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Hm, I can honestly say that I've never been confused by this.
Good for you but the casual user most certainly will be, without knowing though. When you don't have global prefs set at a given project the stock webcode won't tell you so and render its defaults. However, those default might differ from the defaults the client uses when it doesn't get any from the project. That's bad and users will wonder why their client behaves a certain way despite the seemingly effective web prefs tell a different story.
Nevertheless we're going to revise our current implementation, most likely replacing the auto-init we do right now by a glaring warning that the prefs shown are not yet effective, in case they aren't yet saved to the DB. This fixes the underlying BOINC issue an still allows your use case.
but this system of distribution of Boinc much equipment is not operational ago
This is not a Drupal-related issue. Your team is affected by a data mismatch between the central BOINC team database and our DB. We'll look into that.
Ok, apparently you deleted and re-created your BOINC-wide team (on 14 Feb 2016). This is not supported by BOINC, among other things like changing its name, founder or the founder's email address. This is why your new BOINC-wide team and the old one at Einstein@Home "lost contact".
In my personal opinion BOINC-wide teams are a half-implemented hack by BOINC and changing those creates more work than they help to avoid.
Anyhow, I updated your new global team ID locally such that it'll be synchronized again.
Cheers, Oliver
Muchas gracias Oliver. Ya se muestra correctamente.
Sólo comentar que yo no borré el usuario/equipo en BOINC-wide teams. De hecho, la primera frase de su web muestra en negrita el siguiente mensaje "July 24 2015: Creation of BOINC-wide teams has been disabled because of spammers. Contact David Anderson if you want to create a BOINC-wide team." Cuando retomamos el tema de la computación tras un tiempo, el equipo había desaparecido y tuvimos que crearlo de nuevo. Por lo que comentas, ahora entiendo porqué no se acutaliza automáticamente en el resto de proyectos, aunque esos otros sí permiten hacer modificaciones manualmente.
Gracias de nuevo y un saludo.
[Google translator]
Oliver thank you very much. And it is shown correctly.
Only comment that I did not delete the user / team BOINC-wide teams. In fact, the first sentence of your web shown in bold the message "July 24 2015. Creation of BOINC-wide teams has-been disabled Because of spammers Contact David Anderson if you want to create a BOINC-wide team." When we return to the subject of computing after a time, the team was gone and we had to create it again. So you mention, I now understand why it is not automatically Simply update the rest of projects, but those others do allow make changes manually.
Oliver Bock wrote:_Bro.Inc_
Ok, apparently you deleted and re-created your BOINC-wide team (on 14 Feb 2016). This is not supported by BOINC, among other things like changing its name, founder or the founder's email address. This is why your new BOINC-wide team and the old one at Einstein@Home "lost contact".
In my personal opinion BOINC-wide teams are a half-implemented hack by BOINC and changing those creates more work than they help to avoid.
Anyhow, I updated your new global team ID locally such that it'll be synchronized again.
Cheers,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Oliver Bock wrote:Android -
I can accept that. Athought, for this account, I cannot login directly on any machine or device. The only way to get into this account is to go through the reset password function.
Since I can login on my other accounts via user email & password on any of my machines or devices, I accept that this is not likely a website problem but a specific account issue.
Cheers!
*-*-*- Expanding the edge of Science. -*-*-*
Hm, your account looks fine
Hm, your account looks fine to me. You could test things with a different browser or try your standard browser but empty its cache and remove all cookies. Then start over by going to https://einsteinathome.org.
Best,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
It seems the system creates
It seems the system creates global computing preferences when you just open the according dialogue. Now I have a set of preferences that I never wanted, I don't see a way to delete it, and it's propagating.
floyd_7 wrote:It seems the
Sorry for the late response. Personally I think it's better to have BOINC be controlled by the preferences set on the Web. I find it easier to manage, especially if you have multiple computers. However, since the Web site change, the information is in a few different places.
Account > Preferences > Computing
This set of pages will set your preferences for different "preference sets", that is home, work, generic, etc. Adjusting the settings you want and click Save Changes. Generic is the "Default" preference set.
Account > Preferences> Project
This set of preferences sets BOINC preferences for a specific project, i.e., Einstein@Home.
Account > Dashboard > Computers (Box)
Click on the name of the computer(s) you want to adjust and at the bottom of the page there is a drop-down box for "Location", which is where you choose which set of preferences that computer uses.
Finally, in your BOINC manager you can go to the "Projects" Tab and click "Update", which will set the downloaded preferences and set them on a local computer.
Einstein@Home Project
Shawn Kwang wrote:Sorry for
Thanks for your response, and I don't think it's late.
I have a different view on this. I'm participating in several projects, and at every project you can have multiple sets of preferences. On top of that, the same computer can be assigned different locations at different projects. This is all too confusing and thus error-prone. There may be strict rules behind all that, but with the information available to me this is just unpredictable. So I decided to use local settings only, and indeed I have never actively set global preferences at any project.
This is the one I'm talking about. If you just open this page, and you don't have global preferences yet, a set is created and saved. Just what I never wanted, and I didn't expect it to happen automatically.
Not exactly so. Fortunately the local settings override the global ones by default. But you can change this and I'm afraid I could accidentally do so. I still would prefer not to have global settings at all, but I don't think there's a way to undo them.
My point is, the automatic creation of settings should be removed, as it is unexpected behaviour, cannot be undone, and is probably not even intended this way.
Quote:So I decided to use
Hm, unusual but interesting approach. The problem with not saving the initial set of preferences is that you get shown a set of preferences that aren't actually defined yet and there's no way for you to tell the difference - that's what the stock BOINC webcode does IIRC, and I think that's confusing. I think that's the reason we thought to improve on that such that "what you see is what you get". But yes, this precludes the model you're using. We're going to think about this and try to find a way. In the meantime I removed your global prefs but, as you said, BOINC doesn't support the propagation of preference removal so this is (most likely) not going to help in the long run.
Cheers,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Oliver Bock wrote:Quote:So I
That view surprises me. If I want to control how my local computers work, I make changes locally, not through some remote web service. To me that's the obvious way to do it.
Hm, I can honestly say that I've never been confused by this. But that's probably because I usually know where I've made changes and where I haven't. (And that's a reason why I try to keep my settings as centralized as possible.)
Thanks for trying, but it seems the clients remember the settings and where they originate from. Even if I knew enough about state files to safely edit them, the global preferences would probably just be restored by some other project that has picked them up by now. I'll have to be careful not to use them.
Quote:That view surprises me.
Einstein@Home Project
Oliver Bock wrote:Oliver Bock
Muchas gracias Oliver. Ya se muestra correctamente.
Sólo comentar que yo no borré el usuario/equipo en BOINC-wide teams. De hecho, la primera frase de su web muestra en negrita el siguiente mensaje "July 24 2015: Creation of BOINC-wide teams has been disabled because of spammers. Contact David Anderson if you want to create a BOINC-wide team." Cuando retomamos el tema de la computación tras un tiempo, el equipo había desaparecido y tuvimos que crearlo de nuevo. Por lo que comentas, ahora entiendo porqué no se acutaliza automáticamente en el resto de proyectos, aunque esos otros sí permiten hacer modificaciones manualmente.
Gracias de nuevo y un saludo.
[Google translator]
Oliver thank you very much. And it is shown correctly.
Only comment that I did not delete the user / team BOINC-wide teams. In fact, the first sentence of your web shown in bold the message "July 24 2015. Creation of BOINC-wide teams has-been disabled Because of spammers Contact David Anderson if you want to create a BOINC-wide team." When we return to the subject of computing after a time, the team was gone and we had to create it again. So you mention, I now understand why it is not automatically Simply update the rest of projects, but those others do allow make changes manually.
Thanks again and best regards.