Hope they get that thar 'Landing' part figured
out before transporting people in 2017 : )
The good/impressive part here is that the Crew Dragon still retains the good old pull-the-chutes option following de-orbit which covers a lot of adverse scenarios including inability to vector back down to soft landing. Perhaps one could think of the module as an upgraded design of the older type but with an additional powered-to-ground capability. If not for failure of expectation that would likely have been demonstrated after the second stage foul up in July and was well demonstrated with the pad abort test. As the module hit the ocean after a long descent still functional, but alas not activated, following getting blown out of the debris cloud then that is impressive in my view.
If we take the revealed line that quality control on outsourcing of hardware manufacture ( the internal tank strut failure at a fraction of nominal load ) can be ruthlessly tightened up then it augers well. Well in a way that event may be a huge boon ultimately, because it may potentially round up other "sleeping errors" of that kind. Better to disclose that during testing however financially cruel.
Cheers, FNQ Correspondent
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
The basic problem with a controlled landing is keeping the thrust under the load, right? Like balancing a pole on your finger. Perhaps this is the reason all the aliens have saucers -- less height and wider thrust area would both make control easier.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
Blue Origin's recent launch demonstrates visually how much effort it takes to balance a load on a pencil point. These engine(s) are really working as shown in the following videos
An better video here. Look as those engine(s)gimbal.
My $'s are still on SpaceX whose goal/mission is space and not E-ticket rides. Most people are not physically capable of sustaining a ride as depicted in the last video's animated segment.
Elon Musk announces next SpaceX launch for 12/19/15 (a Saturday) from Cape Canaveral with a recovery back on solid ground - no raft. Interesting date don't you think?
Hmmmm. Full commercial payload(s) and the upgraded Merlin too ( a sporty 30% thrust increase ). Should be good. :-0
As for Blue Origin, Virgin etc : they are working on a different paradigm, so no genuine comparison exists IMHO. In particular the total energy budget* for their launches is rather lower than SpaceX. Elon's comments about the margin to get to orbit - from this planet - is quite apt. That is, it is dis-proportionally rather harder to achieve orbit than a mere lob. The results have a thresh-hold aspect not just more-of-the-same.
Cheers, Mike.
* It costs to up and down, one way or another. It's entropic loss all the way, you don't regenerate the cost of going up when going down. The Space Shuttle had the right idea with replaceable ablation components, but in retrospect ( an easy viewpoint ) would have done better with a monolithic shield. Bring on the space elevator ! :-)
( edit ) There's a static test fire at the Cape on the 16th.
( edit ) The payload is interesting in it's own right, see here. Basically a private LEO small satellite fleet for real time asset monitoring. One can buy a satellite modem, develop your own apps etc. It is VHF and thus line of sight but the orbiting network gives redundancy and multi-path communications.
I remember when satellite tracking of logistics first came in. The drivers were suspicious of the monitoring aspect ie. when did the driver stop to go to the toilet etc. However that viewpoint turned over when it was realised that such could be used not to prevent inactivity, but too much activity. Many companies were un-officially abusing the drivers - their health and safety, plus the general community too - by requiring them to cut into legal & proper rest times etc. The younger drivers were rather susceptible. So it is now only the un-monitored companies which retain that dangerous aspect. So for instance it used to be a straight Melbourne to Sydney haul, no breaks but with fanciful log books. Now there is a change-over at Holbrook ( half way ) and far fewer events in that category. The Hume Highway was legend ( 1960 - 1990 ) for producing driver's widows.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
( edit ) There's a static test fire at the Cape on the 16th.
They are predicting cold weather here for Saturday. Not cold by some of the weather you readers experience, but about a 20 degree daytime difference. We have been averaging 80F which is a bit out of the normal for this time of the year. Saturday's temp is going to be around ~59F. I know when the shuttle flew that temp was a factor around 30~40F. They always had to consider the "O" rings and how they might be effected. If it is too cold on Saturday Elon and company might decide to error on the safe side. The 1st launch of SpaceX from the cape a year ago on the same date was, I believe, also postponed as I recall.
Anyway I am happy to be back and flying. Shhhh. Listen to me. Like I am ....
Hope they get that thar
)
Hope they get that thar 'Landing' part figured
out before transporting people in 2017 : )
Bill
RE: Hope they get that thar
)
The good/impressive part here is that the Crew Dragon still retains the good old pull-the-chutes option following de-orbit which covers a lot of adverse scenarios including inability to vector back down to soft landing. Perhaps one could think of the module as an upgraded design of the older type but with an additional powered-to-ground capability. If not for failure of expectation that would likely have been demonstrated after the second stage foul up in July and was well demonstrated with the pad abort test. As the module hit the ocean after a long descent still functional, but alas not activated, following getting blown out of the debris cloud then that is impressive in my view.
If we take the revealed line that quality control on outsourcing of hardware manufacture ( the internal tank strut failure at a fraction of nominal load ) can be ruthlessly tightened up then it augers well. Well in a way that event may be a huge boon ultimately, because it may potentially round up other "sleeping errors" of that kind. Better to disclose that during testing however financially cruel.
Cheers, FNQ Correspondent
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
RE: Hope they get that thar
)
Maybe some deployable wings and a long smooth lake bed to glide in on.
The basic problem with a
)
The basic problem with a controlled landing is keeping the thrust under the load, right? Like balancing a pole on your finger. Perhaps this is the reason all the aliens have saucers -- less height and wider thrust area would both make control easier.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
Blue Origin's recent launch
)
Blue Origin's recent launch demonstrates visually how much effort it takes to balance a load on a pencil point. These engine(s) are really working as shown in the following videos
An better video here. Look as those engine(s)gimbal.
My $'s are still on SpaceX whose goal/mission is space and not E-ticket rides. Most people are not physically capable of sustaining a ride as depicted in the last video's animated segment.
This isn't actually about
)
This isn't actually about SpaceX.
An astronaut will run a marathon on board the ISS.
David
Miserable old git
Patiently waiting for the asteroid with my name on it.
Elon Musk announces next
)
Elon Musk announces next SpaceX launch for 12/19/15 (a Saturday) from Cape Canaveral with a recovery back on solid ground - no raft. Interesting date don't you think?
Hmmmm. Full commercial
)
Hmmmm. Full commercial payload(s) and the upgraded Merlin too ( a sporty 30% thrust increase ). Should be good. :-0
As for Blue Origin, Virgin etc : they are working on a different paradigm, so no genuine comparison exists IMHO. In particular the total energy budget* for their launches is rather lower than SpaceX. Elon's comments about the margin to get to orbit - from this planet - is quite apt. That is, it is dis-proportionally rather harder to achieve orbit than a mere lob. The results have a thresh-hold aspect not just more-of-the-same.
Cheers, Mike.
* It costs to up and down, one way or another. It's entropic loss all the way, you don't regenerate the cost of going up when going down. The Space Shuttle had the right idea with replaceable ablation components, but in retrospect ( an easy viewpoint ) would have done better with a monolithic shield. Bring on the space elevator ! :-)
( edit ) There's a static test fire at the Cape on the 16th.
( edit ) The payload is interesting in it's own right, see here. Basically a private LEO small satellite fleet for real time asset monitoring. One can buy a satellite modem, develop your own apps etc. It is VHF and thus line of sight but the orbiting network gives redundancy and multi-path communications.
I remember when satellite tracking of logistics first came in. The drivers were suspicious of the monitoring aspect ie. when did the driver stop to go to the toilet etc. However that viewpoint turned over when it was realised that such could be used not to prevent inactivity, but too much activity. Many companies were un-officially abusing the drivers - their health and safety, plus the general community too - by requiring them to cut into legal & proper rest times etc. The younger drivers were rather susceptible. So it is now only the un-monitored companies which retain that dangerous aspect. So for instance it used to be a straight Melbourne to Sydney haul, no breaks but with fanciful log books. Now there is a change-over at Holbrook ( half way ) and far fewer events in that category. The Hume Highway was legend ( 1960 - 1990 ) for producing driver's widows.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
RE: ( edit ) There's a
)
They are predicting cold weather here for Saturday. Not cold by some of the weather you readers experience, but about a 20 degree daytime difference. We have been averaging 80F which is a bit out of the normal for this time of the year. Saturday's temp is going to be around ~59F. I know when the shuttle flew that temp was a factor around 30~40F. They always had to consider the "O" rings and how they might be effected. If it is too cold on Saturday Elon and company might decide to error on the safe side. The 1st launch of SpaceX from the cape a year ago on the same date was, I believe, also postponed as I recall.
Anyway I am happy to be back and flying. Shhhh. Listen to me. Like I am ....
Is it still set for the 19th?
)
Is it still set for the 19th?
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now