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Gary Charpentier
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HAL wrote: I'm in Ft. Worth.

HAL wrote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost power for over 30 hours. My house got down to 45 deg F. Couple of the worst days I've spent on Earth. The power is back on now. I felt like I was living in a 3rd world country. Is this the 21st century?

And now I understand the water is out in a lot of Texas.

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Gary Charpentier wrote: HAL

Gary Charpentier wrote:

HAL wrote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost power for over 30 hours. My house got down to 45 deg F. Couple of the worst days I've spent on Earth. The power is back on now. I felt like I was living in a 3rd world country. Is this the 21st century?

And now I understand the water is out in a lot of Texas. 

I'm sure you're watching but the News said the water was out due to the frozen pipes caused by the cold weather..WOO HOO new News!! The sad part is that it's going to cost MILLIONS of dollars for this to not happen next time and you know who will be paying for it.

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mikey wrote:Gary

mikey wrote:

Gary Charpentier wrote:

HAL wrote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost power for over 30 hours. My house got down to 45 deg F. Couple of the worst days I've spent on Earth. The power is back on now. I felt like I was living in a 3rd world country. Is this the 21st century?

And now I understand the water is out in a lot of Texas. 

I'm sure you're watching but the News said the water was out due to the frozen pipes caused by the cold weather..WOO HOO new News!! The sad part is that it's going to cost MILLIONS of dollars for this to not happen next time and you know who will be paying for it.

robl wrote:

 Many utility services need significant upgrades to "winterize", etc.  It really is a matter of "pay me now or pay me later".  None of us want higher utility bills but neither do we want power/water outages under circumstances that Texas is currently facing.  The decision/choice really rests with us.  

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mikey wrote: Gary

mikey wrote:

Gary Charpentier wrote:

HAL wrote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost power for over 30 hours. My house got down to 45 deg F. Couple of the worst days I've spent on Earth. The power is back on now. I felt like I was living in a 3rd world country. Is this the 21st century?

And now I understand the water is out in a lot of Texas. 

I'm sure you're watching but the News said the water was out due to the frozen pipes caused by the cold weather..WOO HOO new News!! The sad part is that it's going to cost MILLIONS of dollars for this to not happen next time and you know who will be paying for it.

Don't they know just run the water slow and the pipe doesn't freeze?  At least that is what they do in the colder climes.  Oh wait, when the building freezes so will the fire sprinkler lines because you can't run those.  And they weren't expecting the utility companies to be so profit centered to have not winterized their generation equipment, so they didn't think to drain the pipes because the inside of the building will be warm. 

Are you telling me that the weather isn't forecast in Texas?  Or were the oil companies expecting to cause more global warming?

Profit, Profit, PROFIT!  Not any different than Boeing and their jets.

https://news.yahoo.com/parts-texas-not-ercot-power-080159059.html

Was it ERCOT that refused to require winterization?  A "reliability" council?  SMH.

 

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Gary Charpentier

Gary Charpentier wrote:

mikey wrote:

Gary Charpentier wrote:

HAL wrote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost power for over 30 hours. My house got down to 45 deg F. Couple of the worst days I've spent on Earth. The power is back on now. I felt like I was living in a 3rd world country. Is this the 21st century?

And now I understand the water is out in a lot of Texas. 

I'm sure you're watching but the News said the water was out due to the frozen pipes caused by the cold weather..WOO HOO new News!! The sad part is that it's going to cost MILLIONS of dollars for this to not happen next time and you know who will be paying for it.

Don't they know just run the water slow and the pipe doesn't freeze?  At least that is what they do in the colder climes.  Oh wait, when the building freezes so will the fire sprinkler lines because you can't run those.  And they weren't expecting the utility companies to be so profit centered to have not winterized their generation equipment, so they didn't think to drain the pipes because the inside of the building will be warm. 

Are you telling me that the weather isn't forecast in Texas?  Or were the oil companies expecting to cause more global warming?

Profit, Profit, PROFIT!  Not any different than Boeing and their jets.

https://news.yahoo.com/parts-texas-not-ercot-power-080159059.html

Was it ERCOT that refused to require winterization?  A "reliability" council?  SMH.

Yup there's ALOT of blame to go around on this one and Sen Ted Cruise getting caught going on and then coming back from his vacation in the middle of it won't help anyone with the rhetoric. One Mayor has already quit and his wife lost her job as well over his comments about it being the citizens fault they don't have power and water and the Governor has now walked back his claim that wind turbines not running are the problem since someone pointed out to him that 90% of the energy production in Texas is done thru gas and oil!!

Personally I think it was a business decision to not prepare for the possibility of freezing temps when they decided to build the infrastructure the way they did, ie nothing in buildings and everything out in the open Sun, and the Government deciding to not participate in a regional power sharing grid so all Texas power is generated within Texas and not bought from other States as needed. Hopefully there will be ALOT of very late night meetings to figure out how to best prevent this from happening again and who's heads are on the chopping block for it this time.

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No heads are going to

No heads are going to "roll".  Those responsible for this degree of incompetency are too well insulated from being blamed.  Cruise returned when he thought he might loose votes.  This implies to me that he will do nothing to influence ERCOT managed/regulated by the govenor and legisators of Texas.  Power can be bought from other companies when needed.  You just need the tools and contractual agreements to do so.  

 

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robl wrote: No heads are

robl wrote:

No heads are going to "roll".  Those responsible for this degree of incompetency are too well insulated from being blamed.  Cruise returned when he thought he might loose votes.  This implies to me that he will do nothing to influence ERCOT managed/regulated by the govenor and legisators of Texas.  Power can be bought from other companies when needed.  You just need the tools and contractual agreements to do so.  

 

I thought I read someplace that they literally don't have connections to the other grids outside Texas.

Tom M

A Proud member of the O.F.A.  (Old Farts Association).  Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)  I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!

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Tom M wrote: robl wrote: No

Tom M wrote:

robl wrote:

No heads are going to "roll".  Those responsible for this degree of incompetency are too well insulated from being blamed.  Cruise returned when he thought he might loose votes.  This implies to me that he will do nothing to influence ERCOT managed/regulated by the govenor and legisators of Texas.  Power can be bought from other companies when needed.  You just need the tools and contractual agreements to do so.  

 

I thought I read someplace that they literally don't have connections to the other grids outside Texas.

Tom M

You may be right.  I do not know how their infrastructure is setup.  It seems odd that they would not have this option.  Texas and the surrounding region not only has to face harsh winters but hurricanes also.  

Maybe I should check on Florida.  Most of my electrical lines where I live are  underground.  Unfortunately they are fed by above ground transmission lines.  If the above ground transmission lines come down then buying from adjacent utilities might not be a solution.  But in Texas it appears as though their lines/grid is intact and they have a generation problem.  Oh well!?  

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robl wrote:But in Texas it

robl wrote:
But in Texas it appears as though their lines/grid is intact and they have a generation problem.  Oh well!?  

I'll bet money that if the local temperatures fell as far below the standard range at the locations of the generation facilities feeding Florida as they just did in Texas, you would find a bunch of them would drop off line.

For that matter, if here in New Mexico we somehow got wind as high as you folks in Florida have learned to tolerate, we'd have terrific transmission problems.

Preparing for events well outside of expectation is a tricky business, whether you are a profit-making enterprise, or a creature of the People's Commissariat of Power production.  The first question is "just how far outside the expected range do we want to try to handle?"  The next problem is "so you think you can tolerate XX, and in fact you designed for XX, and the supplier promises it will work at XX.  But if XX has never, ever happened, how likely it is that first try all that stuff actually works at that condition?"

My friend in Houston thinks about 10% of the homes on his expensive street had burst pipes the first night.  Local code, local building practices, as checked up on by local experience, simply had not produced homes which worked right that far outside of expected conditions.

By the way, in his first communication, he was a full subscriber to the "folly of ERCOT" theory of disaster.  He only learned a couple of days later that he does not actually live within ERCOT territory.  There is actually a triangular intrusion into Texas from Louisiana that runs under another entity named MISO.  Guess what.  They lost power also.

Tom M
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OBTW, dripping water faucets

OBTW, dripping water faucets do not help if it gets cold enough after you lose power.  Otherwise, the Arctic/Antarctic would have never frozen up because their water was "running".

I live in a mobile home that depends on heat tapes as well as wrap around the pipe insulation.  If/when the heat tapes go out, dripping the water doesn't always maintain the water running.

I lost my hot water Monday during an extended power outage from 7 am to 11:30 am.  I managed to keep the cold water running by dripping/flowing it.

However, I just confirmed at least one broken pipe and still don't have any running hot water.

Just turned off the water to save on my water bill.

Tom M

A Proud member of the O.F.A.  (Old Farts Association).  Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)  I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!

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