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Gary Charpentier wrote:Texas

Gary Charpentier wrote:
Texas can't keep the power on?  Do we have California again?

Tom M is not reporting from Texas.  Aside from that, I think one of the few things Californians and Texans agree on is that Texas is not California.

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I'm in the Dallas Fort Worth

I'm in the Dallas Fort Worth Texas metro area and yes parts of the state have and will experience rolling black outs due to the EXTREMELY COLD WEATHER.

 

https://www.fox4news.com/news/rolling-power-outages-ordered-across-texas-as-energy-demand-reaches-record-high

 

ERCOT said the supply of natural gas to power plants is being limited and some wind turbines are frozen. So, keeping up with the amount of power being used across Texas is even more difficult.

Texas set a new a new winter record for energy demand Sunday night breaking a record set three years ago.


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Gary Charpentier

Gary Charpentier wrote:

Texas can't keep the power on?  Do we have California again?

I am seeing news stories that the central power grid operator has started requiring power reductions.

Which usually translates into rolling blackouts.

Covers central midwest including nebraska, kansas. I believe that it reaches Oklahoma an texas. Not sure how far east/west it reaches.

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Change is coming. Change

Change is coming.

Change is coming.

The #1 ranking on the topic 50 list has changed hands.

:)

Tom M

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Gary Charpentier
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Dr Who Fan wrote: I'm in the

Dr Who Fan wrote:

I'm in the Dallas Fort Worth Texas metro area and yes parts of the state have and will experience rolling black outs due to the EXTREMELY COLD WEATHER.

 

https://www.fox4news.com/news/rolling-power-outages-ordered-across-texas-as-energy-demand-reaches-record-high

 

ERCOT said the supply of natural gas to power plants is being limited and some wind turbines are frozen. So, keeping up with the amount of power being used across Texas is even more difficult.

Texas set a new a new winter record for energy demand Sunday night breaking a record set three years ago.

No natural gas?

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/permian-basin-oil-fields-leak-enough-methane-for-7-million-homes

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/permian-basin-oil-fields-leak-enough-methane-for-7-million-homes

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/12/climate/texas-methane-super-emitters.html

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Gary Charpentier wrote: Dr

Gary Charpentier wrote:

Dr Who Fan wrote:

I'm in the Dallas Fort Worth Texas metro area and yes parts of the state have and will experience rolling black outs due to the EXTREMELY COLD WEATHER.

 

https://www.fox4news.com/news/rolling-power-outages-ordered-across-texas-as-energy-demand-reaches-record-high

 

ERCOT said the supply of natural gas to power plants is being limited and some wind turbines are frozen. So, keeping up with the amount of power being used across Texas is even more difficult.

Texas set a new a new winter record for energy demand Sunday night breaking a record set three years ago.

No natural gas?

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/permian-basin-oil-fields-leak-enough-methane-for-7-million-homes

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/permian-basin-oil-fields-leak-enough-methane-for-7-million-homes

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/12/climate/texas-methane-super-emitters.html

MANY years I talked to an oil guy about why they burn the natural gas off at all oil fields and he said 'until it becomes cost effective to capture it, store it, transport it and then sell it it's cheaper to flare it off'. As long as they keep finding oil fields, including sands, natural gas won't be as fully available as it could be.

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mikey wrote:they burn the

mikey wrote:
they burn the natural gas off at all oil fields

They don't.  The big dog is construction of a gathering network of pipelines.  That is in fact done in lots of places.  Not worth it for small fields or places with a small fraction of volatiles coming up.  In those case flaring is the responsible thing to do.  Leakage of methane is much worse.

Drilling of new gas wells was nearly wiped out by the availability of natural gas as a by-product of fracked oil wells.  That would not have happened if none of that gas was being collected instead of flared.

An appropriate tax on methane release would be the right way to get standard economic forces to do a proper global optimization avoiding that release where the cost of doing so was less than the harm.  A different appropriate tax on carbon release would push the needle farther from flaring and closer to collection.

These are externalities, and the classic remedy is to price them.

But that is classic economic rationality, which is not endorsed by either party in the United States at the current time.

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archae86 wrote:But that is

archae86 wrote:
But that is classic economic rationality, which is not endorsed by either party in the United States at the current time.

Politics not rational?  Pahsaw.....  ;)

Tom M

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Tom M wrote: Gary

Tom M wrote:

Gary Charpentier wrote:

Texas can't keep the power on?  Do we have California again?

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Which usually translates into rolling blackouts.

Covers the central midwest including Nebraska, Kansas. I believe that it reaches Oklahoma and a little of Texas? Not sure how far east/west it reaches.

While Texas is on its own power grid manager, I just listened to reports of major generation outages because the generation systems were not sufficiently winter-proofed (more expensive).  Which is why Texas is not fairing very well.

And apparently, the Power grid manager for where I am (Kansas) covers 18 states...

And... we started a "rolling blackout" that was supposed to last half-hour to 45 minutes shortly after 7:02 am CST.  Two attempts to restart after 9:15 am.  Another attempt after 11:15 am.  

Finally came on and stayed on about 11:30 am.

The rolling blackout clearly rolled in and failed to roll out :)

Tom M

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I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost

I'm in Ft. Worth. I lost power for over 30 hours. My house got down to 45 deg F. Couple of the worst days I've spent on Earth. The power is back on now. I felt like I was living in a 3rd world country. Is this the 21st century?

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