The non-existence of Time !

Ariane Von WolfLand
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In my opinion Time is just an illusion and it doesn't exist really.We live only in an eternal present and we call time when the scenery before our conceptions changes like the change of scenery for Alice in wonderland. The processus of decrepitude of living cellules is not caused by the time but just by the genetic code within the cellules, molecules and atoms. Then birth and death are merely an analogue phenomene and if we meditate deeply on it we will see the new born babies as an old person and already dead , squeleton and then dust . We live at the same moment than the big bang and at the same moment of coagulation of the universe. What exists , existed already and what seems invisible was invisible . Light years and the mesurment of the distance of planets, stars and galaxies are just
conventional and in an eternal present have not any meaning . We experience already the absence of Time-
Space without knowing it and we think simply that this phenomene occur only in black holes : we are already in some black hole .

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The non-existence of Time !

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Then birth and death are merely an analogue phenomene and if we meditate deeply on it we will see the new born babies as an old person and already dead , squeleton and then dust.

Can you see a sport team having won the Superbowl/World Cup? You could make a lot of money with that skill.

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I used to think that to,

I used to think that to, minus the esp part, until i posted my idea at umm... i love physics.com god im such a dork. anyway, they shot the idea down. But my high school physics teacher new a lot about physics. he planted the idea in my head. id love to talk to him about that with him some more. oh well.

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I used to think that to, minus the esp part, until i posted my idea at umm... i love physics.com god im such a dork. anyway, they shot the idea down. But my high school physics teacher new a lot about physics. he planted the idea in my head. id love to talk to him about that with him some more. oh well.

Perhaps you might like to talk with your English teacher too.

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I don’t think Ariane was

I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.

Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.

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I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.

Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.

Hello dear Mark and thank you for your reply , it is very true what you said in your message and i'm still thinking about it , but at the same time without intending contradict you , i only remember a quote of Einstein " when you see a complicated problem before you, just make it simple and easy " . Very true science quantifies things , but some minds can get through quantities just by a wink or by a bypass and see exactly the quantities with a poetical
point of view and reaching exactly to the same results.Before the birth of exact sciences , humanity had theology and mythology , this is perhaps a proof that the imaginary capacity of human brain is much more advanced than the quantification. In my opinion a poet or a science fiction writer can see in a wink what a mathematician would perhaps never see in his life. All things imaginated by human brain has been proved very primitively by scientists, so i conclude that imagination is one step more advanced than the exact sciences. What prophets and poets said in their tales many many centuries ago can be
related easily to black holes , atoms and all scientific discoveries .

Regards

Ariane

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I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.

Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.

You should read 'The Tao of physics". by Fritjof Capra, a theoretical physicist
(1974). His ideas are very close to yours.
Regards
Tullio (retired theoretical physicist)

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I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.

Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.

Tullio , how amazing book, The Tao of Physics , once again i was illuminated by metaphysic , just the other side of the coin .Physics and metaphysic have an eternal link between them . What a great quote from Carlos
Castaneda . Thank you for this great suggestion .

Regards
You should read 'The Tao of physics". by Fritjof Capra, a theoretical physicist
(1974). His ideas are very close to yours.
Regards
Tullio (retired theoretical physicist)


Ariane

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I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.

Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.

Tillio, i've read the book The Tao of physics,unestimably interesting ,
i also read The simple Taoism by c.alexander Simpkins , very instructive,
by the way have you ever read the book of Jean Guitton , Dieu et la Science:
Vers le metarealisme (1991) , a dialogue between Jean Guitton and 2 quantum
physicists : Bogdanow brothers ? You will find the same parallelisme between
physics and metaphysics. Sometimes i'm guided toward this conclusion that
although many western researches and studies are done in eastern thoughts and
phylosophy, apparently these two worlds would never be able to understand each-
other , or "tout simplement" there would never be established a real dialogue
between west and east !

Tullio , how amazing book, The Tao of Physics , once again i was illuminated by metaphysic , just the other side of the coin .Physics and metaphysic have an eternal link between them . What a great quote from Carlos
Castaneda . Thank you for this great suggestion .

Regards
You should read 'The Tao of physics". by Fritjof Capra, a theoretical physicist
(1974). His ideas are very close to yours.
Regards
Tullio (retired theoretical physicist)



Ariane

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I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.

Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.

Tillio, i've read the book The Tao of physics,unestimably interesting ,
i also read The simple Taoism by c.alexander Simpkins , very instructive,
by the way have you ever read the book of Jean Guitton , Dieu et la Science:
Vers le metarealisme (1991) , a dialogue between Jean Guitton and 2 quantum
physicists : Bogdanow brothers ? You will find the same parallelisme between
physics and metaphysics. Sometimes i'm guided toward this conclusion that
although many western researches and studies are done in eastern thoughts and
phylosophy, apparently these two worlds would never be able to understand each-
other , or "tout simplement" there would never be established a real dialogue
between west and east !

Tullio , how amazing book, The Tao of Physics , once again i was illuminated by metaphysic , just the other side of the coin .Physics and metaphysic have an eternal link between them . What a great quote from Carlos
Castaneda . Thank you for this great suggestion .

Regards
You should read 'The Tao of physics". by Fritjof Capra, a theoretical physicist
(1974). His ideas are very close to yours.
Regards
Tullio (retired theoretical physicist)



Of Jean Guitton I have read only "The lacerated Christ". Tqo other books I liked about science and the humanities are "Disturbing the Universe" by Freeman J.Dyson, another theoretical physicist, and "Shadows of the mind", by Roger Penrose, British physicist and mathematician with whom I had an exchange of letters. He was very kind in reading a manuscript of mine, unpublished, titled "The coherent brain", putting forth the idea that the brain is a quantum macro object.

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