I don’t think Ariane was claiming see the future but rather stating that the human perception of time (and space) is tied to events and we sometimes over look the fact that time (and space) are a continuum. I am planning to buy a new computer this week, it will be very high end when I get it but it will be useful only as a boat anchor in a decade or less. In saying that I see it in both states I am not claiming any extraordinary powers.
Science quantifies things so people can make exact comparisons. All modern technology depends on digitization. Even abstract math does so in its own way, not with numbers but with definitions and theorems. Yet it appears this is not the normal human mode of thinking, consider how many people find science and math hard. I doubt that this is because such people are stupid just that our brains just are not wired right for it to be easy. I do dislike it when people throw around scientific terms (such as black hole or electric fields) when they discuss such matters. It hinders communication and makes them seem superficial even when they are not.
Tillio, i've read the book The Tao of physics,unestimably interesting ,
i also read The simple Taoism by c.alexander Simpkins , very instructive,
by the way have you ever read the book of Jean Guitton , Dieu et la Science:
Vers le metarealisme (1991) , a dialogue between Jean Guitton and 2 quantum
physicists : Bogdanow brothers ? You will find the same parallelisme between
physics and metaphysics. Sometimes i'm guided toward this conclusion that
although many western researches and studies are done in eastern thoughts and
phylosophy, apparently these two worlds would never be able to understand each-
other , or "tout simplement" there would never be established a real dialogue
between west and east !
Tullio , how amazing book, The Tao of Physics , once again i was illuminated by metaphysic , just the other side of the coin .Physics and metaphysic have an eternal link between them . What a great quote from Carlos
Castaneda . Thank you for this great suggestion .
Regards
You should read 'The Tao of physics". by Fritjof Capra, a theoretical physicist
(1974). His ideas are very close to yours.
Regards
Tullio (retired theoretical physicist)
Of Jean Guitton I have read only "The lacerated Christ". Tqo other books I liked about science and the humanities are "Disturbing the Universe" by Freeman J.Dyson, another theoretical physicist, and "Shadows of the mind", by Roger Penrose, British physicist and mathematician with whom I had an exchange of letters. He was very kind in reading a manuscript of mine, unpublished, titled "The coherent brain", putting forth the idea that the brain is a quantum macro object.
WOW , Tullio , "THE BRAIN IS A QUANTUM MACRO OBJECT '" , I should say
that i am simply hypnotized by this Idea , i will meditate on it all day ,
and perhaps some thoughts would invade me i will express later .
In my opinion Time is just an illusion and it doesn't exist really...
Ariane, if time is an illusion, doesn't it follow then, that nothing is real?
Tullio, your manuscript sounds interesting. Is there a link to it, and is it in English? If not, could you provide a brief summary of the main points, and give some examples of macroscopic quantum systems?
In my opinion Time is just an illusion and it doesn't exist really...
Ariane, if time is an illusion, doesn't it follow then, that nothing is real?
Tullio, your manuscript sounds interesting. Is there a link to it, and is it in English? If not, could you provide a brief summary of the main points, and give some examples of macroscopic quantum systems?
No Chipper, NOTHING IS REAL , we are just dreaming , the REALITY is hidden behing the VEIL , after death we will experience the REALITY.
No Chipper, NOTHING IS REAL , we are just dreaming , the REALITY is hidden behing the VEIL , after death we will experience the REALITY.
Perhaps behind the veil there's another veil, or countless veils. Perhaps there is just the void, absence of experience. Perhaps this thread has gone on too long...
In my opinion Time is just an illusion and it doesn't exist really...
Ariane, if time is an illusion, doesn't it follow then, that nothing is real?
Tullio, your manuscript sounds interesting. Is there a link to it, and is it in English? If not, could you provide a brief summary of the main points, and give some examples of macroscopic quantum systems?
The manuscript was written 25 years ago in English. I did not dare to show it to anyone until I read "The Emperors' new mind" by Roger Penrose. Then I sent it to him and he found it "very interesting". Then I sent it to two Italian physicists whom I knew and nobody cared to comment it. So I never thought of putting it on the web. But if you give me an e-mail address I nught send it to you. Mine is . If you send me privately your email address I will send it to you. It is a pure ASCII text file with no virus since I am using Linux.
In my opinion Time is just an illusion and it doesn't exist really...
Ariane, if time is an illusion, doesn't it follow then, that nothing is real?
Tullio, your manuscript sounds interesting. Is there a link to it, and is it in English? If not, could you provide a brief summary of the main points, and give some examples of macroscopic quantum systems?
No Chipper, NOTHING IS REAL , we are just dreaming , the REALITY is hidden behing the VEIL , after death we will experience the REALITY.
I personally believe that Time is circular (like a sine wave is circular), and which also accomodates for the Arrow of Time (which always flies forward - you'll never see a smashed teacup jumping back onto the table, reformed to its whole.)
In my opinion Time is just an illusion and it doesn't exist really...
Ariane, if time is an illusion, doesn't it follow then, that nothing is real?
Tullio, your manuscript sounds interesting. Is there a link to it, and is it in English? If not, could you provide a brief summary of the main points, and give some examples of macroscopic quantum systems?
No Chipper, NOTHING IS REAL , we are just dreaming , the REALITY is hidden behing the VEIL , after death we will experience the REALITY.
I personally believe that Time is circular (like a sine wave is circular), and which also accomodates for the Arrow of Time (which always flies forward - you'll never see a smashed teacup jumping back onto the table, reformed to its whole.)
Hello my dear and old friend Chipper,
I'm so glad to see you again...But you know in Quantum physics , and with the Uncertainty Principle , it is possible to reform the smashed teacup to its whole and it would jump back onto the table , it constitute just a unique thing and event, if we considere Time as an eternal present without any past and future, nothing is lost , this is only a loss in the sight of the observator.That is true for deads, they only live another form or shape of being, and they are not lost .
For example in amnesia , we lose the notion of the past and the future, and time is no more circular and flies no more forward , in this eternal present which is the "time" of things,particles, neutrinos, ultra-strings, dark matter and dead living creatures,Time and Space join each-other and become a unique entity . We can experience then the parallel worlds and we jump from one world to another , just like when we are dreaming . Living in such a "continum world" give us this feeling that not any event is more important than other(like the smashed tea-cup) ,nightmarre scenes replace "Heavenly visions" and all constitute a "unity", a '"whole".
Chipper, this is just a feeling of mine and i can't give more explanation or some argument for it.
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Ariane, if time is an illusion, doesn't it follow then, that nothing is real?
Tullio, your manuscript sounds interesting. Is there a link to it, and is it in English? If not, could you provide a brief summary of the main points, and give some examples of macroscopic quantum systems?
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No Chipper, NOTHING IS REAL , we are just dreaming , the REALITY is hidden behing the VEIL , after death we will experience the REALITY.
Ariane
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Perhaps behind the veil there's another veil, or countless veils. Perhaps there is just the void, absence of experience. Perhaps this thread has gone on too long...
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The manuscript was written 25 years ago in English. I did not dare to show it to anyone until I read "The Emperors' new mind" by Roger Penrose. Then I sent it to him and he found it "very interesting". Then I sent it to two Italian physicists whom I knew and nobody cared to comment it. So I never thought of putting it on the web. But if you give me an e-mail address I nught send it to you. Mine is . If you send me privately your email address I will send it to you. It is a pure ASCII text file with no virus since I am using Linux.
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I personally believe that Time is circular (like a sine wave is circular), and which also accomodates for the Arrow of Time (which always flies forward - you'll never see a smashed teacup jumping back onto the table, reformed to its whole.)
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Interesting thought, Denis – do you mean circular like the Ouroboros, or more like a sine wave that has a beginning and end?
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Denis I don't understand, things can move clockwise or counter-clockwise as easly as back or forth. Or at least so it seems to me.
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Hello my dear and old friend Chipper,
I'm so glad to see you again...But you know in Quantum physics , and with the Uncertainty Principle , it is possible to reform the smashed teacup to its whole and it would jump back onto the table , it constitute just a unique thing and event, if we considere Time as an eternal present without any past and future, nothing is lost , this is only a loss in the sight of the observator.That is true for deads, they only live another form or shape of being, and they are not lost .
For example in amnesia , we lose the notion of the past and the future, and time is no more circular and flies no more forward , in this eternal present which is the "time" of things,particles, neutrinos, ultra-strings, dark matter and dead living creatures,Time and Space join each-other and become a unique entity . We can experience then the parallel worlds and we jump from one world to another , just like when we are dreaming . Living in such a "continum world" give us this feeling that not any event is more important than other(like the smashed tea-cup) ,nightmarre scenes replace "Heavenly visions" and all constitute a "unity", a '"whole".
Chipper, this is just a feeling of mine and i can't give more explanation or some argument for it.
See you later,
Cheers
Ariane
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This reminds me of a couple of episodes of "Star Trek Deep Space 9"