[...] Milton has the potential to be one of the most destructive hurricanes on record for west-central Florida. [...]
I hope this meteorologist is wrong (overcautious).
Yes they said the winds were at 180MPH (289KMPH) but as it gets closer to Florida the winds will slow down, so I thought 'hey that's a good Thing' WRONG!! It turns out that when the winds of a hurricane, or typhoon, slow down they spread out so as it gets closer to Florida MORE of Florida will be impacted by the winds of the Hurricane! They are talking a wind surge of up to 20 feet in a place that is fairly flat to begin with.
Yes they said the winds were at 180MPH (289KMPH) but as it gets closer to Florida the winds will slow down, so I thought 'hey that's a good Thing' WRONG!! It turns out that when the winds of a hurricane, or typhoon, slow down they spread out so as it gets closer to Florida MORE of Florida will be impacted by the winds of the Hurricane! They are talking a wind surge of up to 20 feet in a place that is fairly flat to begin with.
My grandfather used to live on Pine Island just off the Tampa/St.Pete coast which is in the direct line of Milton. I think that island will be totally washed of the surface with a 20 ft surge.
Instead of houses on stilts maybe we need to start thinking about houses seriously under water?
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Instead of houses on stilts maybe we need to start thinking about houses seriously under water?
Maybe start with large dikes like they have everywhere along the coastlines of Holland (Netherlands) and Friesland (NL/DE). But they clearly ruin the oceanview and you no longer have direct access to the sea for boats from all these waterfront properties (development areas with constructed canals). In the Netherlands over the centuries they build inland canals and locks everywhere to protect towns from flooding while still being able to reach the sea. But heavy and countrywide (without dikes devastating) storm surges occur almost each winter in NL & DE while major hurricanes that hit a specific city (e.g. Tampa) in the US are still rare. People tend to forget (or ignore) the dangers of natural disasters when they occur less than once in a generation.
In the Netherlands, almost 2,000 people died in 1953 (hundreds of thousands in the centuries before) until the government (or rather the society) decided to spend dozen billion dollars (over the decades surely ~1% of GDP) for a system of gigantic dikes and barriers that finally eliminated the threats of frequent storm surges.
Ohh, but our most devastating (non-tropical) winter storms rarely exceed the Beaufort scale (Bft 12: >118 km/h; 73 MPH) and never exceed 150 km/h; 93 MPH. How to protect against ~300 km/h; ~185 MPH hurricane wind forces? Underground houses with snorkels?
Instead of houses on stilts maybe we need to start thinking about houses seriously under water?
Alot of new homes around me are starting to use concrete pilings instead of wooden ones as the concrete ones won't topple over like the wood ones do. The house is also alot firmer feeling in high wind or wave conditions as well. Even 2nd and 3rd row homes are getting them.
Instead of houses on stilts maybe we need to start thinking about houses seriously under water?
Maybe start with large dikes like they have everywhere along the coastlines of Holland (Netherlands) and Friesland (NL/DE). But they clearly ruin the oceanview and you no longer have direct access to the sea for boats from all these waterfront properties (development areas with constructed canals). In the Netherlands over the centuries they build inland canals and locks everywhere to protect towns from flooding while still being able to reach the sea. But heavy and countrywide (without dikes devastating) storm surges occur almost each winter in NL & DE while major hurricanes that hit a specific city (e.g. Tampa) in the US are still rare. People tend to forget (or ignore) the dangers of natural disasters when they occur less than once in a generation.
In the Netherlands, almost 2,000 people died in 1953 (hundreds of thousands in the centuries before) until the government (or rather the society) decided to spend dozen billion dollars (over the decades surely ~1% of GDP) for a system of gigantic dikes and barriers that finally eliminated the threats of frequent storm surges.
Ohh, but our most devastating (non-tropical) winter storms rarely exceed the Beaufort scale (Bft 12: >118 km/h; 73 MPH) and never exceed 150 km/h; 93 MPH. How to protect against ~300 km/h; ~185 MPH hurricane wind forces? Underground houses with snorkels?
On the East Coast of the US there is an Inter-Coastal Waterway that runs almost the entire length of the East Coast that is a canal built so boats don't have to go into the Ocean. There is one spot, I don't remember where it is exactly though that you do have to go out into the Ocean but it's not very long and then you are right back into the Inter-Coastal Waterway again. The problem with the thing is in some areas they have low bridges so you have to call the bridge person to open the bridge to let you thru and for some people that can take some time as not every bridge is manned 24/7. The Waterway is about half to 3/4's of a mile inland from the Ocean and it has places where you can get out into the Ocean very easily.
Thank you Mikey. I don't remember if I ever knew about the intercoastal waterway.
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Thank you Mikey. I don't remember if I ever knew about the intercoastal waterway.
If you've ever come to an East Coast beach then you've probably driven over it on a bridge. As I said some bridges, like the one at my beach, is a big tall thing so the boats can go under it but the one not too far from me is an older swing type bridge that spins on a center access and is only about 5 feet above the water level at high tide. In fact there are times they have to open the bridge, closing it to vehicles, when the tide is too high in case the water hits the bottom of the bridge.
The morning after conclusion is clearly that Florida did not suffer anywhere near the calamity from Milton that was widely forecast.
Still, whole lots of tornado damage, and plenty of wind and water as well. In particular as of a few moments before I typed these notes the useful web site poweroutage.us was still listing over three million customers without power in Florida.
A very broad swatch through Florida along the hurricane track shows high outage levels, with over 30% of customers out most places that are not in the far north or far south of the state.
Very very lucky the eye went south of Tampa Bay. If it had been north the story would have been worse than the warnings. Remember the winds are counter clockwise so Tampa got offshore winds, not onshore.
Scrooge McDuck
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Yes they said the winds were at 180MPH (289KMPH) but as it gets closer to Florida the winds will slow down, so I thought 'hey that's a good Thing' WRONG!! It turns out that when the winds of a hurricane, or typhoon, slow down they spread out so as it gets closer to Florida MORE of Florida will be impacted by the winds of the Hurricane! They are talking a wind surge of up to 20 feet in a place that is fairly flat to begin with.
mikey wrote: Yes they said
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My grandfather used to live on Pine Island just off the Tampa/St.Pete coast which is in the direct line of Milton. I think that island will be totally washed of the surface with a 20 ft surge.
Proud member of the Old Farts Association
Instead of houses on stilts
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Instead of houses on stilts maybe we need to start thinking about houses seriously under water?
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Tom M schrieb: Instead of
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Maybe start with large dikes like they have everywhere along the coastlines of Holland (Netherlands) and Friesland (NL/DE). But they clearly ruin the oceanview and you no longer have direct access to the sea for boats from all these waterfront properties (development areas with constructed canals). In the Netherlands over the centuries they build inland canals and locks everywhere to protect towns from flooding while still being able to reach the sea. But heavy and countrywide (without dikes devastating) storm surges occur almost each winter in NL & DE while major hurricanes that hit a specific city (e.g. Tampa) in the US are still rare. People tend to forget (or ignore) the dangers of natural disasters when they occur less than once in a generation.
Tom M wrote: Instead of
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Alot of new homes around me are starting to use concrete pilings instead of wooden ones as the concrete ones won't topple over like the wood ones do. The house is also alot firmer feeling in high wind or wave conditions as well. Even 2nd and 3rd row homes are getting them.
Scrooge McDuck wrote: Tom M
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Thank you Mikey. I don't
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Thank you Mikey. I don't remember if I ever knew about the intercoastal waterway.
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Tom M wrote: Thank you
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If you've ever come to an East Coast beach then you've probably driven over it on a bridge. As I said some bridges, like the one at my beach, is a big tall thing so the boats can go under it but the one not too far from me is an older swing type bridge that spins on a center access and is only about 5 feet above the water level at high tide. In fact there are times they have to open the bridge, closing it to vehicles, when the tide is too high in case the water hits the bottom of the bridge.
The morning after conclusion
)
The morning after conclusion is clearly that Florida did not suffer anywhere near the calamity from Milton that was widely forecast.
Still, whole lots of tornado damage, and plenty of wind and water as well. In particular as of a few moments before I typed these notes the useful web site poweroutage.us was still listing over three million customers without power in Florida.
A very broad swatch through Florida along the hurricane track shows high outage levels, with over 30% of customers out most places that are not in the far north or far south of the state.
Very very lucky the eye went
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Very very lucky the eye went south of Tampa Bay. If it had been north the story would have been worse than the warnings. Remember the winds are counter clockwise so Tampa got offshore winds, not onshore.