I don't want to lose the conversation. I just don't want it living in the Motherboard Reviews area. Let me see now.
I don't understand this OCD attitude to having everything precisely on topic. Conversations drift. Let it happen, chill dude, smoke something.
I am afraid that even if those messages were to move this area would not be "precisely" on topic.
My experience is the more a thread wanders from the "subject matter/title" the less likely a newcomer will ever find the information/entertainment that shows up in that thread.
I wanted to have my thread and eat it too?
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)
I don't want to lose the conversation. I just don't want it living in the Motherboard Reviews area. Let me see now.
I don't understand this OCD attitude to having everything precisely on topic. Conversations drift. Let it happen, chill dude, smoke something.
I am afraid that even if those messages were to move this area would not be "precisely" on topic.
My experience is the more a thread wanders from the "subject matter/title" the less likely a newcomer will ever find the information/entertainment that shows up in that thread.
I wanted to have my thread and eat it too?
Tom M
A newcomer will find a thread using a search, which takes account of the words in the thread. When you search for X, you will find X being discussed, whether the thread started with X or 42.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
We have probably beaten the "what is the best motherboard for boinc GPU processing" to death.
But what about boinc CPU processing? The hidden agenda would certainly be individual system production/highest possible RAC :)
Intel, AMD and Arm all have significant claims to very high levels of CPU production.
And claims to some very large CPU sockets/CPUs per motherboard. I am confident Intel had a number of over 4 CPU motherboards out there. I remember finding some very large cpu numbers in the Seti at Home lists.
So we have several scales we can play with. Total cores/threads per motherboard. Processing speed per core/thread. Power consumed per task. EtAl.
If we assume an unlimited budget all bets are off. We could easily get into the realm of HPC.
But we are talking BOINC and "consumer" level end computing here. Not Beowulf clusters etc.
What would give you the most bang for a buck?
Ryzen 3700/4700x, 3950x/5950x, Threadripper 2990wx, Epyc 7000, 7002, 7003, 7004 etc. And the Intel consumer and server equivalent(s). And Arm (including Raspberry).
My personal motive is to spec out the highest performing CPU task processing system I can afford. But my budget is likely too low and too limiting.
What would you go for if you were starting over with no sunk costs?
What would you go for taking your current sunk costs into account?
Respectfully,
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)
I made a spreadsheet. Fill in the cost of many CPUs you're thinking of. Add the cost of a decent motherboard and a decent amount of RAM that suit that CPU, and any other bits you need to add that aren't kicking about spare anyway (disk, PSU, case, etc). Now add a column for CPU speed, I just use a benchmark site and look up the multi core result. Get the spreadsheet to divide speed by cost and sort by that column.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
I think I'm sticking with AMD Ryzen 9 3950X/5950X CPUs. I don't feel the Intel CPUs have come back into the limelight recently, nor do I expect them to any time soon. I'm also not wealthy enough to climb up into an Epyc CPU and MB at this time either. It may be another year or two before I decide to get a third desktop. I have plenty to do with the two that I have now.
Ran across one of these on eBay. https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/H11DSi-NT Dual cpu with 5 pcie slots. From the photo on eBay it looks like the shorter x8 slots are open ended.
So if I start with one gen 2 Epyc CPU I can probably reach the Heaven of having way to many cores :) Eventually.
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)
Ran across one of these on eBay. https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/H11DSi-NT Dual cpu with 5 pcie slots. From the photo on eBay it looks like the shorter x8 slots are open ended.
So if I start with one gen 2 Epyc CPU I can probably reach the Heaven of having way to many cores :) Eventually.
Tom M
I have this board, and yes the x8 slots are open ended.
just keep in mind it's E-ATX and a bit larger than standard ATX.
this is also the board that has VRM cooling issues if you use 2x high power high core count CPUs. my 2x 48-core 240W CPUs needed watercooling on the VRMs
I think I'm sticking with AMD Ryzen 9 3950X/5950X CPUs. I don't feel the Intel CPUs have come back into the limelight recently, nor do I expect them to any time soon. I'm also not wealthy enough to climb up into an Epyc CPU and MB at this time either. It may be another year or two before I decide to get a third desktop. I have plenty to do with the two that I have now.
The prices may have changed, but when I bought my 3900XT just over a year ago, the two you mention cost a lot more for a smaller speed increase. I took account of the cost of RAM and MB also.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
this is also the board that has VRM cooling issues if you use 2x high power high core count CPUs. my 2x 48-core 240W CPUs needed watercooling on the VRMs
Nothing a huge noisy fan can't fix.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Peter Hucker wrote: Tom M
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I am afraid that even if those messages were to move this area would not be "precisely" on topic.
My experience is the more a thread wanders from the "subject matter/title" the less likely a newcomer will ever find the information/entertainment that shows up in that thread.
I wanted to have my thread and eat it too?
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)
Tom M wrote: Peter Hucker
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A newcomer will find a thread using a search, which takes account of the words in the thread. When you search for X, you will find X being discussed, whether the thread started with X or 42.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
We have probably beaten the
)
We have probably beaten the "what is the best motherboard for boinc GPU processing" to death.
But what about boinc CPU processing? The hidden agenda would certainly be individual system production/highest possible RAC :)
Intel, AMD and Arm all have significant claims to very high levels of CPU production.
And claims to some very large CPU sockets/CPUs per motherboard. I am confident Intel had a number of over 4 CPU motherboards out there. I remember finding some very large cpu numbers in the Seti at Home lists.
So we have several scales we can play with. Total cores/threads per motherboard. Processing speed per core/thread. Power consumed per task. EtAl.
If we assume an unlimited budget all bets are off. We could easily get into the realm of HPC.
But we are talking BOINC and "consumer" level end computing here. Not Beowulf clusters etc.
What would give you the most bang for a buck?
Ryzen 3700/4700x, 3950x/5950x, Threadripper 2990wx, Epyc 7000, 7002, 7003, 7004 etc. And the Intel consumer and server equivalent(s). And Arm (including Raspberry).
My personal motive is to spec out the highest performing CPU task processing system I can afford. But my budget is likely too low and too limiting.
What would you go for if you were starting over with no sunk costs?
What would you go for taking your current sunk costs into account?
Respectfully,
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)
AMD EPYC 7002 (Rome) is
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AMD EPYC 7002 (Rome) is probably the best all around for the balance of cost/performance/scalability/power_consumption.
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I made a spreadsheet. Fill
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I made a spreadsheet. Fill in the cost of many CPUs you're thinking of. Add the cost of a decent motherboard and a decent amount of RAM that suit that CPU, and any other bits you need to add that aren't kicking about spare anyway (disk, PSU, case, etc). Now add a column for CPU speed, I just use a benchmark site and look up the multi core result. Get the spreadsheet to divide speed by cost and sort by that column.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
I think I'm sticking with AMD
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I think I'm sticking with AMD Ryzen 9 3950X/5950X CPUs. I don't feel the Intel CPUs have come back into the limelight recently, nor do I expect them to any time soon. I'm also not wealthy enough to climb up into an Epyc CPU and MB at this time either. It may be another year or two before I decide to get a third desktop. I have plenty to do with the two that I have now.
Proud member of the Old Farts Association
Ran across one of these on
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Ran across one of these on eBay. https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/H11DSi-NT Dual cpu with 5 pcie slots. From the photo on eBay it looks like the shorter x8 slots are open ended.
So if I start with one gen 2 Epyc CPU I can probably reach the Heaven of having way to many cores :) Eventually.
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor)
Tom M wrote: Ran across one
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I have this board, and yes the x8 slots are open ended.
just keep in mind it's E-ATX and a bit larger than standard ATX.
this is also the board that has VRM cooling issues if you use 2x high power high core count CPUs. my 2x 48-core 240W CPUs needed watercooling on the VRMs
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GWGeorge007 wrote: I think
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The prices may have changed, but when I bought my 3900XT just over a year ago, the two you mention cost a lot more for a smaller speed increase. I took account of the cost of RAM and MB also.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Ian&Steve C. wrote: this is
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Nothing a huge noisy fan can't fix.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.