It may well be that some F1 cars are using hybrid technology, regenerative braking has been around for some years now. OK, another question for you. How do you think the unions are going to react to all of this when many tens of millions of automotive and oil industry workers lose their jobs?
Actually they won't they will just retool to make more energy efficient vehicles and stop putting in petrol based engines.
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And furthermore, how long will these new type batteries hold their charge? With an ordinary lead acid one, leave it in a garage for a month and it goes flat. Not everybody uses their car every day. How long will these new type batteries last before replacement? How much will they cost to replace?
There are already Lithium Ion batteries available for most cars, in the US anyway, that are lighter, last far longer than lead acid batteries and only cost about 10 to 20% more than a lead acid battery. And because they are Li-On they don't lose their charge when just sitting in the garage like lead acid batteries do!
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Just because all this it may be technically possible does not mean we should be doing it!! The ramifications down the line have not been thought about properly that is clear.
Actually they have by people far smarter than most of us are, they have gone thru all the what if's and come to conclusion that if we don't change the future is pretty bleak. Are they right, hopefully so otherwise this will be a very expensive path we are about to go down!
The UK just put out a press release that by 2040 there will NO petrol cars allowed on the roads, someone is going to make a fricking fortune converting all the current vehicles that people refuse to give up, or can't afford too! Sweden made an even more ambitions pledge and other Countries are following suit too, the US seems to be the one laggard in all this but I think it will have to jump on the bandwagon or get left behind. Their car makers can't afford to keep putting money into petrol based cars if they can't then sell them overseas as well. Ford, GM etc all sell cars WorldWide, so by other Countries forcing them to change America will too whether they like it or not. In this new way of thinking America is being caught up in the old saying 'lead, follow or get out of the way' and America will be following for awhile I think!!
OK, another question for you. How do you think the unions are going to react to all of this when many tens of millions of automotive and oil industry workers lose their jobs?
Actually they won't they will just retool to make more energy efficient vehicles and stop putting in petrol based engines.
Did you read what I posted earlier?
2. What about all the redundancies in the engine plants?
3. Car body makers might be OK, but will there be jobs in the marine propulsion industry?
If petrol and diesel engines go out of fashion for road cars, there will be redundancies in the engine plants. Fords in Dagenham England was the leading car maker in the UK, until the Unions killed it off in 2002. It now just makes diesel engines. Part of the site is already a housing estate.
What happens if the trend to phase out Diesel engines carries over to the rail roads. How many miles of the worlds railroads are fully electric either by 3rd rail, or overhead catenarys? What about all these USA oil trains that criss cross their country hauled by 6000HP diesel engined locos? Are they going to be run by rechargeable batteries?
Actually they have by people far smarter than most of us are,
Well we had better hope that they do hadn't we :-)
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Or jurisdictional arbitrage : some transactions may be permitted in some places but not others. Hence the proliferation of offshore deals.
Have a look at this, all perfectly legal.
Suppose you're American. You set up a company in Bermuda and sell it your intellectual property. It then sets up a subsidiary in Ireland.
Now, set up another company in Ireland: it bills your European operations for amounts resembling their profits. Now, start a company in the Netherlands.
Have your second Irish company send money to your Dutch company, which immediately sends it back to your first Irish company. You know, the one headquartered in Bermuda.
Are you bored and confused yet? If so, that's part of the point. Tax havens depend on making it, at best, very difficult to get your head around financial flows, and, at worst, impossible to find out any facts. Accounting techniques that make your brain hurt enable multinationals such as Google, eBay and Ikea to minimise their tax bills - completely legally.
I don't understand what tax havens have to do with electric vehicles though. The future is bright though, those noisy trucks are going to be replaced by silent electric vehicles.
Going to some race, you will no longer need ear protection!
I wonder how much less noise an electric aircraft would make. Granted the battery technology will need to be significantly improved, but with the amount of batteries needed the budget for improving it will be astronomical.
I don't understand what tax havens have to do with electric vehicles though
They don't, but as Mike posted about that in this thread I replied to him.
wonder how much less noise an electric aircraft would make. Granted the battery technology will need to be significantly improved,
I would suggest that long range A380 Airbuses flying nearly 6000 miles from the UK to western America would need rather more batteries than the fuselage would hold and no passengers. Even given future advances in battery technology.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
I don't understand what tax havens have to do with electric vehicles though
They don't, but as Mike posted about that in this thread I replied to him.
wonder how much less noise an electric aircraft would make. Granted the battery technology will need to be significantly improved,
I would suggest that long range A380 Airbuses flying nearly 6000 miles from the UK to western America would need rather more batteries than the fuselage would hold and no passengers. Even given future advances in battery technology.
If batteries were the only possibility for powering all-electric aircraft things would be looking pretty bad.
However, suppose that aircraft receives it's power from a Solar power satellite? What then? It would need a much smaller battery supply...only enough to take-off and climb above cloud level. Then those batteries could be recharged in-flight along with power for propelling the aircraft.
OK, another question for you. How do you think the unions are going to react to all of this when many tens of millions of automotive and oil industry workers lose their jobs?
Actually they won't they will just retool to make more energy efficient vehicles and stop putting in petrol based engines.
Did you read what I posted earlier?
2. What about all the redundancies in the engine plants?
3. Car body makers might be OK, but will there be jobs in the marine propulsion industry?
If petrol and diesel engines go out of fashion for road cars, there will be redundancies in the engine plants. Fords in Dagenham England was the leading car maker in the UK, until the Unions killed it off in 2002. It now just makes diesel engines. Part of the site is already a housing estate.
What happens if the trend to phase out Diesel engines carries over to the rail roads. How many miles of the worlds railroads are fully electric either by 3rd rail, or overhead catenarys? What about all these USA oil trains that criss cross their country hauled by 6000HP diesel engined locos? Are they going to be run by rechargeable batteries?
Actually they have by people far smarter than most of us are,
Well we had better hope that they do hadn't we :-)
@Chris S,
Sounds like we need to get our petition drives started to outlaw all-electric vehicles. After all, you saw how well it worked for the horse buggy and whip makers? And what about all the slide rule manufacturers, when calculators started coming out? And the fountain pen manufacturers sure put down that ball-point pen fad didn't it?
No?
The future will come no matter how much we detest it. The problems holding it back can and will be overcome...or else another alternative will take its place.
There's lots of money to be made creating solutions and devising conversion products.
After all, you saw how well it worked for the horse buggy and whip makers? And what about all the slide rule manufacturers, when calculators started coming out? And the fountain pen manufacturers sure put down that ball-point pen fad didn't it?
Horse whip makers still enjoy a good living from UK horse racing, with the Grand National, the 2000 Guineas, the Derby, and the Oaks. Not to mention the dressage events at Badminton horse trials etc. Slide rules did indeed get overtaken by cheap calculators.You will still find though that the upper classes and the aristocracy still use fountain pens to write letters, and most politicians sign IT printed letters in ink.
Ball point pens was not a passing fad as they are still sold by the millions everyday throughout the world
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Hence the proliferation of
But most of them are done in tax havens to avoid tax liability, being clamped down on as we speak.
Errr, wot's that in English? :-))
(Confused of Sarf Lunnon)
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Chris S_2 wrote: It may well
Actually they won't they will just retool to make more energy efficient vehicles and stop putting in petrol based engines.
There are already Lithium Ion batteries available for most cars, in the US anyway, that are lighter, last far longer than lead acid batteries and only cost about 10 to 20% more than a lead acid battery. And because they are Li-On they don't lose their charge when just sitting in the garage like lead acid batteries do!
Actually they have by people far smarter than most of us are, they have gone thru all the what if's and come to conclusion that if we don't change the future is pretty bleak. Are they right, hopefully so otherwise this will be a very expensive path we are about to go down!
The UK just put out a press release that by 2040 there will NO petrol cars allowed on the roads, someone is going to make a fricking fortune converting all the current vehicles that people refuse to give up, or can't afford too! Sweden made an even more ambitions pledge and other Countries are following suit too, the US seems to be the one laggard in all this but I think it will have to jump on the bandwagon or get left behind. Their car makers can't afford to keep putting money into petrol based cars if they can't then sell them overseas as well. Ford, GM etc all sell cars WorldWide, so by other Countries forcing them to change America will too whether they like it or not. In this new way of thinking America is being caught up in the old saying 'lead, follow or get out of the way' and America will be following for awhile I think!!
OK, another question for you.
Did you read what I posted earlier?
If petrol and diesel engines go out of fashion for road cars, there will be redundancies in the engine plants. Fords in Dagenham England was the leading car maker in the UK, until the Unions killed it off in 2002. It now just makes diesel engines. Part of the site is already a housing estate.
What happens if the trend to phase out Diesel engines carries over to the rail roads. How many miles of the worlds railroads are fully electric either by 3rd rail, or overhead catenarys? What about all these USA oil trains that criss cross their country hauled by 6000HP diesel engined locos? Are they going to be run by rechargeable batteries?
Well we had better hope that they do hadn't we :-)
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Or jurisdictional arbitrage :
Have a look at this, all perfectly legal.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
I don't understand what tax
I don't understand what tax havens have to do with electric vehicles though. The future is bright though, those noisy trucks are going to be replaced by silent electric vehicles.
Going to some race, you will no longer need ear protection!
I wonder how much less noise an electric aircraft would make. Granted the battery technology will need to be significantly improved, but with the amount of batteries needed the budget for improving it will be astronomical.
I don't understand what tax
They don't, but as Mike posted about that in this thread I replied to him.
I would suggest that long range A380 Airbuses flying nearly 6000 miles from the UK to western America would need rather more batteries than the fuselage would hold and no passengers. Even given future advances in battery technology.
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Chris S_2 wrote: I don't
If batteries were the only possibility for powering all-electric aircraft things would be looking pretty bad.
However, suppose that aircraft receives it's power from a Solar power satellite? What then? It would need a much smaller battery supply...only enough to take-off and climb above cloud level. Then those batteries could be recharged in-flight along with power for propelling the aircraft.
Solar power satellite - Proof of concept: validated. Technology: to be implemented.
The future is coming...Lead, Follow, or get out of the way.
Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.
Chris S_2 wrote: OK, another
@Chris S,
Sounds like we need to get our petition drives started to outlaw all-electric vehicles. After all, you saw how well it worked for the horse buggy and whip makers? And what about all the slide rule manufacturers, when calculators started coming out? And the fountain pen manufacturers sure put down that ball-point pen fad didn't it?
No?
The future will come no matter how much we detest it. The problems holding it back can and will be overcome...or else another alternative will take its place.
There's lots of money to be made creating solutions and devising conversion products.
Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.
After all, you saw how well
Horse whip makers still enjoy a good living from UK horse racing, with the Grand National, the 2000 Guineas, the Derby, and the Oaks. Not to mention the dressage events at Badminton horse trials etc. Slide rules did indeed get overtaken by cheap calculators.You will still find though that the upper classes and the aristocracy still use fountain pens to write letters, and most politicians sign IT printed letters in ink.
Ball point pens was not a passing fad as they are still sold by the millions everyday throughout the world
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Spce based power
Space based power
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now