validate error client error

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All I ever get is either a "Client error" or "Validate error"
Why should I keep this program running? it seems a waste of my time and yours, as you have to download files to work on to my computer.
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validate error client error

First off, you are using a really old version of BOINC. This may be a cause of some of your issues. I would suggest upgrading.

To upgrade your version you MUST stop BOINC from running, uninstall (do NOT go in an manually delete the files), then install the new version.

A personal suggestion would be to get rid of ME, 98 is better (even Mircosoft admitted ME was bad).

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RE: First off, you are

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First off, you are using a really old version of BOINC. This may be a cause of some of your issues. I would suggest upgrading.


5.4.9

???

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RE: RE: First off, you

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First off, you are using a really old version of BOINC. This may be a cause of some of your issues. I would suggest upgrading.

5.4.9

???

Michael


OK, I am unsure where I saw he had 4.something client. I apologize, I thought 4.19, but I guess I was a little out of it.

Any other suggestions out there?

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RE: First off, you are

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First off, you are using a really old version of BOINC. This may be a cause of some of your issues. I would suggest upgrading.

To upgrade your version you MUST stop BOINC from running, uninstall (do NOT go in an manually delete the files), then install the new version.

A personal suggestion would be to get rid of ME, 98 is better (even Mircosoft admitted ME was bad).


In other words you are saying that when I downloaded the BOINC operating system, in July 2006, they sent me an old version and not the most up to date files? I find that hard to believe. Or is this organization still operating in DOS mode? And please tell me how you determined the version of the program I am using?
As I understand the system it is doing a math function and that is a core operating system that is not dependent upon the operating system. (Oh btw I am a computer consultant and have my own business, seven years old now, one of the things I do for businesses is write programs for them, custom programs.)
The client errors are dependant upon the client server and that is not on my end but on the other end.
I will still need some help on this subject as it is evident from your answers that you are not to sure of what you are saying.
As a side note, when on the main page of the Enstein home page I see a link to the group you belong to, but everytime I click on it I get a page not found error. Maybe you need to look into this.

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OK, I have found that now I

OK, I have found that now I am going strong and am doing two projects at a time. And as for the Knights who say NI? I found your link on my account page, but it still does not work. I get some foolish message that I have broken the link. I did nothing to the link, it is on my account listing and doesn't work!
All I did was click on it. The other links seem to work fine, just yours does not work!

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RE: In other words you are

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In other words you are saying that when I downloaded the BOINC operating system, in July 2006, they sent me an old version and not the most up to date files?

And please tell me how you determined the version of the program I am using?


BOINC is not an operating system, it is an executable program.
You can find your BOINC version by opening Boinc Manager, Help, About BOINC Manager.
We can see it in the result IDs of any result you have crunched and returned.
Example given: Your last errored out result 37056130 says
stderr out 5.4.9

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As I understand the system it is doing a math function and that is a core operating system that is not dependent upon the operating system.


Actually, BOINC doesn't crunch one bit. It is managing software, capable of housing many projects their science applications (which do the crunching). It can queue multiple results for all these projects. It will check and recalculate which project needs new work and then download that amount of work to top off your queue again. It will upload finished results, it will hold all downloads if a result is in danger of going past its deadline, at which time BOINC will only focus on getting that result out.

As said, it doesn't crunch and it isn't an OS.

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The client errors are dependant upon the client server and that is not on my end but on the other end.


Actually, you get file transfer errors:

h1_0124.5_S5R1__622_S5R1a_1_0
-108

The transfer log of the last errored out result says:
2006-07-18 11:49:32.2428 REQUEST_METHOD=POST CONTENT_TYPE=application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT=*/* HTTP_USER_AGENT=BOINC client (windows_intelx86 5.4.9)
2006-07-18 11:49:32.2428 CONTENT_LENGTH=4979
2006-07-18 11:49:32.5177 Handling request: host 691124, platform windows_intelx86, version 5.4.9, RSF 1.000000
2006-07-18 11:49:32.5177 OS version Microsoft Windows Millennium , (04.90.3000.00)
2006-07-18 11:49:32.5236 Request [HOST#691124] Database [HOST#691124] Request [RPC#41] Database [RPC#40]
2006-07-18 11:49:32.5243 Processing request [HOST#691124] [RPC#41] core client version 5.4.9
2006-07-18 11:49:32.7006 [HOST#691124] [RESULT#37056130 h1_0124.5_S5R1__622_S5R1a_1] got result (DB: server_state=4 outcome=0 client_state=0 validate_state=0 delete_state=0)
2006-07-18 11:49:32.7007 cpu 15469.000000 cpcs 0.000797, cc 20.545255
2006-07-18 11:49:32.7007 [RESULT#37056130 h1_0124.5_S5R1__622_S5R1a_1]: client_state 3 exit_status 0; setting outcome ERROR
2006-07-18 11:49:32.7020 Result is on [HOST#691124]: h1_0124.5_S5R1__617_S5R1a_0
2006-07-18 11:49:32.7039 sending delay request 60.000000

I have checked the uploads around the same time and they all came out OK, but for yours. If other people can upload (and download) their results normally, it isn't a server problem. Do you have any firewall between you and the internet? Was your anti virus software on and scanning, perhaps? Anything else using your line at the time? What kind of internet connection do you have? Using a proxy and if so, what kind of proxy?

P.S: A bit friendlier answering won't kill you. Most people answering here are volunteers just like you and me. Sometimes we make mistakes, just as you would. So if that happens, there is no need to bite their heads off.

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Please forgive me if I seemed

Please forgive me if I seemed a little gruff, but when a person is trying to do something good and gets shot down it is a little frustrating. First I responded to some statements that were sort of uncalled for against me. I have tried to do what ever was required and did the download as requested. Then I get told that my operating system is screwed up, I know that. I have run into so many problems with MicroSoftHead, (I have to try to help people get their systems running when Winduhs screws up. No help from MS either. They want you to sign up and pay them to have them tell you how to fix their operating system), that I feel nothing but comtempt for them. As to the sub routine, (call it what you want, it is a program that was designed by BIONC, to do the crunching, and I have no control over what it does.), I did nothing to design it, so I had to wonder what was going wrong. There was nothing I could do to change it.
Also I am 70 years old and us older people with medical problems do get cranky at times. Again I ask for forgiveness for my gruffness.
I have an internal program, (inside me), that says to not give answers If I do not know or am not sure of what I am saying. I find that to offer error messages to people they can get very confused and sometimes give up.
But if you will accept my thanks for your comments, I will be very greatful.
Also as to the server problem it seems to have fixed itself with no changes made by me. Yes, I do have Norton as a AV softwareand SB(ATT) provides a firewall in the modem. I am on a DSL, (sometimes called a Dam Slow Line), that is supposed to be running at download capability of 1MByte and upload capability of 250KBytes. I will be going to a test site to check out the figures that are real.
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I ran WinME for over a year

Message 42625 in response to message 42624

I ran WinME for over a year and a half in a very stable environment, mostly after I used System Restore Remover Pro 1.5 Final. With this freeware program you can remove System Restore and Movie Maker. When you have done so, your WinME is actually a kind of Win98SE with a fancier desktop. Rock solid.

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As to the sub routine, (call it what you want, it is a program that was designed by BIONC, to do the crunching, and I have no control over what it does.), I did nothing to design it, so I had to wonder what was going wrong. There was nothing I could do to change it.


The Einstein science application was designed by and build by the System Admin people here at the Einstein project. You have some control over what it does, through the General Preferences and Project Preferences in your account.

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I find that to offer error messages to people they can get very confused and sometimes give up.


You can always go look them up yourself, here and here in the BOINC Wikipedia, but it may be easier to put the error message down and wait until someone who does know a thing or two about BOINC, to explain what the error message means. For us it's annoying to some degree to ask repeatedly for an error message, get none given, but the other party will keep on complaining how we aren't helping him or her.

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es, I do have Norton as a AV softwareand SB(ATT) provides a firewall in the modem.


Norton AV and WinME ... in my opinion and experience Norton AV is a serious resource hog when installed on any other version of Windows. I can't imagine what it will do on WinME. (brrr <-- me shivering)

A hardware firewall is nice, but it only blocks incoming programs and connections. It doesn't block outgoing connections, so if you have something on your system (worm, virus, spyware etc.) it will go right through the firewall.
I'd suggest you set up one of the free firewall software packages on your system as well. That way you can monitor a little bit more what goes out.

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download capability of 1MByte and upload capability of 250KBytes.


Download speeds of modems are measured in bits per second. So you have a 1Mbit/256Kbit connection. Divide by 8 (8 bits to a byte) to get to the theoretical maximum download/upload speed. So that's 1024Kbit / 8 = 128 KByte per second and 256Kbit / 8 = 32KByte per second.

Theoretical because there is always overhead on the line, due to bends, noise and other interference. This overhead is about 10%.

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RE: So that's 1024Kbit / 8

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So that's 1024Kbit / 8 = 128 KByte per second and 256Kbit / 8 = 32KByte per second. Theoretical because there is always overhead on the line, due to bends, noise and other interference. This overhead is about 10%.


This is quite sensitive as to how your telecomunications provider(s) behave(s), but generally most lines are also in some way contended at some point in the hardware chain. This means that other usages can diminish your effective bandwidth. If you have a close look at ( any ) provision agreement you'll find a clause ( or two ) which indicate this, maybe not as a direct statement but by implication. In Australia, anyway, I've discovered that a lot of resellers ( those that don't own, but lease, the actual hardware ) will promise some theoretically perfect figure which is never actually realised, even closely, and by design never will - and they know it too...... Caveat Vendor!
Cheers, Mike.

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RE: RE: So that's

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So that's 1024Kbit / 8 = 128 KByte per second and 256Kbit / 8 = 32KByte per second. Theoretical because there is always overhead on the line, due to bends, noise and other interference. This overhead is about 10%.

This is quite sensitive as to how your telecomunications provider(s) behave(s), but generally most lines are also in some way contended at some point in the hardware chain. This means that other usages can diminish your effective bandwidth. If you have a close look at ( any ) provision agreement you'll find a clause ( or two ) which indicate this, maybe not as a direct statement but by implication. In Australia, anyway, I've discovered that a lot of resellers ( those that don't own, but lease, the actual hardware ) will promise some theoretically perfect figure which is never actually realised, even closely, and by design never will - and they know it too...... Caveat Vendor!
Cheers, Mike.


I have DSL not cable. I understand how cable works. People use the same line and have to share bandwidth, but on DSL it is a dedicated line, as it is my phone line. I also have been a phone company product engineer and have had to take many courses on phone company equipment. The only other person on my line is my daughter, as her comp is connected also. But when I ran a speed test the other day I was well over 1 Mbit/sec.
Now I am seeing many more "client error" messages again and compute error. It appears that the sub routine that does the crunching has some faults. As my comp is a digital device and has to run in a sequential mode while doing the crunching. I do know that due to beta and alpha rays coming in that may hit the hard drive or the electronics at any time and cause a fault are relevant. If you do the math and calculate the error rate for computers, it goes up with the speed of the CPU. I willl use just ni=umbers, not specifically correct, to show what I mean. A computer that is running at 600 MHz and has an eror rate of .001 percent will be getting hit 6 million times a second. It happens that the hits just do not always hit a place that causes troubles, But if your comp is running at 1.2 GHz the rate will double. This is a problem with the higher speeds. They get hit more often and that causes a chance of getting a bad hit more often. While I worked in the electronics industry wmy job was figuring error rates for equipment. It was so bad looking you would think that the equipment would not run, but it did and still does. As it is a lot of figures based upon error rates of individual componets. Thos enumbers were based upon longevity tests under stress levels or temp, vibration, altitude, shock, (mechanical), and moisture. Usually the numbers were swayed to the bad side as the maximums were used to do the figuring. We came up with one piece of equipment that figured to have error rates every second and total failure in less than a minute, but it ran for months. Go figure.

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