Timeline for Power apps for S5R4 Run?

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I know its still pretty early with the change over but will there be power apps for the new run anytime in the near future?

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Timeline for Power apps for S5R4 Run?

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I know its still pretty early with the change over but will there be power apps for the new run anytime in the near future?

Note that the Windows and Linux stock aps for S5R4 are pretty much the power apps of S5R3! They are switching apps which will make use of SSE (even SSE2 for Linux) on hosts that are supporting it. So the new stock apps are not lame :-).

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RE: RE: I know its still

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I know its still pretty early with the change over but will there be power apps for the new run anytime in the near future?

Note that the Windows and Linux stock aps for S5R4 are pretty much the power apps of S5R3! They are switching apps which will make use of SSE (even SSE2 for Linux) on hosts that are supporting it. So the new stock apps are not lame :-).

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Does that mean the client detects what the processor(s) additional features are (SSE, SSE3, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1), and then make use of the right code for that feature set?

I appreciate the S5R3 power application featured SSE, which can be used by Intel P3 and up (and the AMD equivalents) for the various OSes.

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RE: ...Note that the

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...Note that the Windows and Linux stock aps for S5R4 are pretty much the power apps of S5R3! They are switching apps which will make use of SSE (even SSE2 for Linux) on hosts that are supporting it. So the new stock apps are not lame :-).

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I believe Bernd mentioned that he will (when time permits!) be working on making the Windows application able to use SSE2 as well.

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Looking forwards to it, as 3

Looking forwards to it, as 3 of my 4 rigs could take advantage of this Windows client.

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RE: RE: RE: I know its

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I know its still pretty early with the change over but will there be power apps for the new run anytime in the near future?

Note that the Windows and Linux stock aps for S5R4 are pretty much the power apps of S5R3! They are switching apps which will make use of SSE (even SSE2 for Linux) on hosts that are supporting it. So the new stock apps are not lame :-).

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Does that mean the client detects what the processor(s) additional features are (SSE, SSE3, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1), and then make use of the right code for that feature set?

I appreciate the S5R3 power application featured SSE, which can be used by Intel P3 and up (and the AMD equivalents) for the various OSes.

As I understand it, S5R4 for Windows (your computers, as well as mine) will have a switcher that detects whether or not SSE is present and launches the "0" application if not present and the "1" application if it is present. This is equivalent to the S5R3 4.46 Windows application. I remained using 4.36 because I didn't see the need, as it was apparent by watching the Linux platform and then the Windows platform that the switching mechanism works just fine and didn't need further testing...

As for the extended feature sets, nothing more than SSE is being used, with the exception of SSE2 for Linux (and perhaps Intel OS X). One of the stated early priorities is to get SSE2 into the Windows application. I would guess that there would be diminishing returns on going into higher levels of SSE...

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RE: ...As I understand it,

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...As I understand it, S5R4 for Windows (your computers, as well as mine) will have a switcher that detects whether or not SSE is present and launches the "0" application if not present and the "1" application if it is present. This is equivalent to the S5R3 4.46 Windows application....


Where does one look to see if the "0" or "1" application is being used?

Thanks!

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Wow, I can understand the

Wow, I can understand the confusion on this though because I'd say the tasks have gotten quite a bit longer.

I've only had time to look in detail at a couple of computers but a P4D that used to take ~9.75 hours on 4.36 is going to take about 13.5 hours for it's first S5R4 and a Xeon 5120 that took about 6.75 hours (4.36) will take about 11.5 hours for it's first S5R4.

Since that takes the run times close to what the pre-SSE apps took for S5R3, I'm not surprised that folks are going to initially think it's no longer an SSE app.

Oh, I did check both of these to make sure they were running the _1 executable and they are. :)

[edit] I do foresee at least one problem though... the estimated run times are 1h46m for this Xeon that is actually going to take 13h to complete it's first one. I'm waaaaaay overloaded on work on this machine so I doubt I'll be downloading more for well over a week. The settings should have grabbed .25 days of work, but I'm sure E@H has accumulated a healthy LTD vs other projects, so perhaps that explains why it actually downloaded what it thinks will be exactly 2 days worth.[/edit]

[edit] As always, thanks for the good information Bikeman! [/edit]

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RE: RE: ...As I

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...As I understand it, S5R4 for Windows (your computers, as well as mine) will have a switcher that detects whether or not SSE is present and launches the "0" application if not present and the "1" application if it is present. This is equivalent to the S5R3 4.46 Windows application....

Where does one look to see if the "0" or "1" application is being used?

Thanks!

Rob, I just took the simple approach and opened the windows task manager and looked at which program was actually running.

I'm not sure if BOINC is reporting it in the message log, but I'm fairly sure it's only reporting the version (always 604 no matter which executable is used) since that's all I'm seeing in my BoincView logs.

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RE: ...Rob, I just took the

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...Rob, I just took the simple approach and opened the windows task manager and looked at which program was actually running.

I'm not sure if BOINC is reporting it in the message log, but I'm fairly sure it's only reporting the version (always 604 no matter which executable is used) since that's all I'm seeing in my BoincView logs.


Duh, that was the one place I did not look! I checked the message log (and you are correct), the application as described within the BOINC "Tasks" window, and the Einstein projects folder (which of course has both versions of the app!), but did not think to look at Windows task manager! Thank you for your help! I may have been scratching my head for some time! ;)

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RE: RE: ...Rob, I just

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...Rob, I just took the simple approach and opened the windows task manager and looked at which program was actually running.

I'm not sure if BOINC is reporting it in the message log, but I'm fairly sure it's only reporting the version (always 604 no matter which executable is used) since that's all I'm seeing in my BoincView logs.


Duh, that was the one place I did not look! I checked the message log (and you are correct), the application as described within the BOINC "Tasks" window, and the Einstein projects folder (which of course has both versions of the app!), but did not think to look at Windows task manager! Thank you for your help! I may have been scratching my head for some time! ;)

No problem. Sorry for the name confusion. Trying to do a million things at once here and my eyes saw Bob and my brain processed Rob. Must have been a random cosmic ray hit causing a bit flip on one of my neurons because I'm not normally dyslexic. ;)

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