Timeline for Power apps for S5R4 Run?

Stan Pope
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RE: Until then, someone

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Until then, someone else will need to check to see if there is an AMD penalty again...


My experience is approximately:

AMD X2 4800 : Intel Core 2 Q6600
8 hrs : 5 hrs under 4.36 Power App for S5R3
16 hrs : 10 hrs under default apps for S5R4

So, the proportions are about the same.

Stan

googloo
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I've stopped running S5R4

I've stopped running S5R4 Einstein until there is a power app for Windows. I had one task that ran for 32 hours for a "standard" credit, whereas in S4R3 my run times with the power app were 8.5 to 11+ hours. Other S5R4 tasks ran at 18+ hours. That's too much of a credit per CPU time cut. I'd rather give my time to Rosetta even though their credit is also low.

Nothing But Idle Time
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RE: I've stopped running

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I've stopped running S5R4 Einstein until there is a power app for Windows. I had one task that ran for 32 hours for a "standard" credit, whereas in S4R3 my run times with the power app were 8.5 to 11+ hours. Other S5R4 tasks ran at 18+ hours. That's too much of a credit per CPU time cut. I'd rather give my time to Rosetta even though their credit is also low.

I contributed to Einstein for 3 years now but I finally have to suspend it. My last task was over 31 hours while my wingman did it in half the time. My intel P4 contribution is miniscule these days and I too am throwing my meager cpu cycles to Rosetta. Credit is irrelevant. I might not discover gravity waves or pulsars but maybe I can contribute to curing health related diseases and do it in a more timely manner. If I ever upgrade my computer maybe I'll return. Sorry.

Arion
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RE: I contributed to

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I contributed to Einstein for 3 years now but I finally have to suspend it. My last task was over 31 hours while my wingman did it in half the time. My intel P4 contribution is miniscule these days and I too am throwing my meager cpu cycles to Rosetta. Credit is irrelevant. I might not discover gravity waves or pulsars but maybe I can contribute to curing health related diseases and do it in a more timely manner. If I ever upgrade my computer maybe I'll return. Sorry.

Well I'm not all that happy about what has been done here, but....I'm willing to stick it out for a while and see if things improve. I've had 4 systems running einstein non stop for about a year now and with the changes - losing one system that went back to college and extended times with less credit,I'm leaving my main system (dual core stays and the slowest single core stays here at einstein) my middle of the line system (dual core) is now testing a new backup project and returned to CPDN. I'm not getting the credits I was before with just einstein, but at least I am still comtributing here and once again at CPDN. The backup test case is probably not going to make it and then I'll either find another one or if einstein fixes things here more to the way it was then I'll let that system work both einstein and CPDN.

Sometimes you got just to bite the bullet so they say and get your priorities straight.

RandyC
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RE: RE: I contributed to

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I contributed to Einstein for 3 years now but I finally have to suspend it. My last task was over 31 hours while my wingman did it in half the time. My intel P4 contribution is miniscule these days and I too am throwing my meager cpu cycles to Rosetta. Credit is irrelevant. I might not discover gravity waves or pulsars but maybe I can contribute to curing health related diseases and do it in a more timely manner. If I ever upgrade my computer maybe I'll return. Sorry.

Well I'm not all that happy about what has been done here, but....I'm willing to stick it out for a while and see if things improve. I've had 4 systems running einstein non stop for about a year now and with the changes - losing one system that went back to college and extended times with less credit,I'm leaving my main system (dual core stays and the slowest single core stays here at einstein) my middle of the line system (dual core) is now testing a new backup project and returned to CPDN. I'm not getting the credits I was before with just einstein, but at least I am still comtributing here and once again at CPDN. The backup test case is probably not going to make it and then I'll either find another one or if einstein fixes things here more to the way it was then I'll let that system work both einstein and CPDN.

Sometimes you got just to bite the bullet so they say and get your priorities straight.

A good project that has fairly small WUs that run well on slower machines is http://www.malariacontrol.net, but you might want to hurry, word is that they are closing account creation soon.

Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.

Arion
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RE: A good project that has

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A good project that has fairly small WUs that run well on slower machines is http://www.malariacontrol.net, but you might want to hurry, word is that they are closing account creation soon.

I've looked through the list of available projects and while a lot of them are probably very meaningful projects, I'm more of a astronomy, stars kind of guy. Astropulse sounds like one that I'd really be interested in except I don't think I'm ready to jump back into the fray at Seti anytime soon. If Milky Way doesn't pan out I'll just turn that core back over to einstein (with or without fixes) or CPDN since those are really the ones that I've been interested and worked with for a long time now.

RandyC
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RE: RE: A good project

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A good project that has fairly small WUs that run well on slower machines is http://www.malariacontrol.net, but you might want to hurry, word is that they are closing account creation soon.

I've looked through the list of available projects and while a lot of them are probably very meaningful projects, I'm more of a astronomy, stars kind of guy. Astropulse sounds like one that I'd really be interested in except I don't think I'm ready to jump back into the fray at Seti anytime soon. If Milky Way doesn't pan out I'll just turn that core back over to einstein (with or without fixes) or CPDN since those are really the ones that I've been interested and worked with for a long time now.

If you have concerns about how long WUs will run, then Astropulse is NOT for you. They have typical runtimes of 20-40 hrs on FAST computers. and only ~715 credits per WU as well.

Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.

Nothing But Idle Time
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RE: RE: I contributed to

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I contributed to Einstein for 3 years now but I finally have to suspend it. My last task was over 31 hours while my wingman did it in half the time. My intel P4 contribution is miniscule these days and I too am throwing my meager cpu cycles to Rosetta. Credit is irrelevant. I might not discover gravity waves or pulsars but maybe I can contribute to curing health related diseases and do it in a more timely manner. If I ever upgrade my computer maybe I'll return. Sorry.

Well I'm not all that happy about what has been done here, but....I'm willing to stick it out for a while and see if things improve. I've had 4 systems running einstein non stop for about a year now and with the changes - losing one system that went back to college and extended times with less credit,I'm leaving my main system (dual core stays and the slowest single core stays here at einstein) my middle of the line system (dual core) is now testing a new backup project and returned to CPDN. I'm not getting the credits I was before with just einstein, but at least I am still comtributing here and once again at CPDN. The backup test case is probably not going to make it and then I'll either find another one or if einstein fixes things here more to the way it was then I'll let that system work both einstein and CPDN.

Sometimes you got just to bite the bullet so they say and get your priorities straight.


Just to clarify further...I'm in no way implying that the new S5R4 working environment is bad, or that something is wrong with it, or that the credits are bad. I concern myself with my contribution relative to others. I question whether the scientific output from a single task is worth the 31 hours it takes my cpu to produce it, while the same task running on a core 2 can produce the same scientific output in half the time. So my contribution becomes increasingly less significant relative to the cost and to the contribution of others who can do a better job of it. Extrapolating further, I have to question my contribution to any project for the same reasons-- modern cpus are beating the pants off us old timers who use horse-n-buggy technology.

Arion
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RE: If you have concerns

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If you have concerns about how long WUs will run, then Astropulse is NOT for you. They have typical runtimes of 20-40 hrs on FAST computers. and only ~715 credits per WU as well.

Well I think I have hit a happy medium here. Pretty much what it has been all along anyway. I should have realized that the reason I devote so much of my computer resources here is for more than credits. (Project stability, reasonable credits, intelligent conversation in the newsgroups, etc.) I just needed to go look around to be reminded of all those reasons again after the past couple of years here.

I set out a goal here when I went over 500,000 credits to get to 1,000,000 and then I was going to switch back to CPDN and try to get them up to 500,000 or beyond. The switch over to the new WU's has cut into the time frame that I thought it would take to complete my goals. But it did provide me a chance to decide that I didn't have to run non stop to reach those goals when I could spread it around and accomplish it, but in a longer time frame.

Erik
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RE: Just to clarify

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Just to clarify further...I'm in no way implying that the new S5R4 working environment is bad, or that something is wrong with it, or that the credits are bad. I concern myself with my contribution relative to others. I question whether the scientific output from a single task is worth the 31 hours it takes my cpu to produce it, while the same task running on a core 2 can produce the same scientific output in half the time. So my contribution becomes increasingly less significant relative to the cost and to the contribution of others who can do a better job of it. Extrapolating further, I have to question my contribution to any project for the same reasons-- modern cpus are beating the pants off us old timers who use horse-n-buggy technology.

I'm in agreement with you. My P4 3.0 (which is still quite common) and esp. the 2.4 Celeron have gone on to more mundane tasks (& only on when necessary) particularly in light of increasing electricity costs.

Big chunk of change -> New computer -> more BOINC productivity -> less electricity

vs.

Old computer -> less BOINC productivity -> more electricity -> Increasingly bigger chunks of change spread out into several monthly payments to the utility company.

I'm not griping but I sometimes hate that the "world has moved on".

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