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mikey wrote: As I said it

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As I said it was Windows stuff and I didn't feel comfortable deleting what I had no clue was so I just got a bigger drive and moved on.

If it's Windows stuff and not your own stuff, then disk cleanup removes a tonne.

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Peter Hucker wrote: mikey

Peter Hucker wrote:

mikey wrote:

As I said it was Windows stuff and I didn't feel comfortable deleting what I had no clue was so I just got a bigger drive and moved on.

If it's Windows stuff and not your own stuff, then disk cleanup removes a tonne. 

 

I had one small folder on each drive that was for downloads but they were all Boinc only pc's so nothing much. As I said before they are all wiped so no longer a problem. Most of them have Linux Mint on them now while a couple have Ubuntu or another version of Linux on them. I was testing to see which version of Linux I like the best and can make it work with the least command line stuff so went thru a bunch of versions of Linux. I just dropped in a drive let it wipe it and install fresh every time. After I'm done testing that one for a few days I drop it in a drawer with the rest of them and pick one out and do the same thing for the next OS version.

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mikey wrote: I had one small

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I had one small folder on each drive that was for downloads but they were all Boinc only pc's so nothing much. As I said before they are all wiped so no longer a problem. Most of them have Linux Mint on them now while a couple have Ubuntu or another version of Linux on them. I was testing to see which version of Linux I like the best and can make it work with the least command line stuff so went thru a bunch of versions of Linux. I just dropped in a drive let it wipe it and install fresh every time. After I'm done testing that one for a few days I drop it in a drawer with the rest of them and pick one out and do the same thing for the next OS version.

For some reason Windows leaves it's downloads on the disk, but removes them as soon as you issue the disk cleanup command.  Maybe it's for torrenting the downloads?  An option (which is stupidly defaulted to off) allows your computers to share the windows update downloads with other people who need them, to increase the downloading speed and decrease the load on the Microsoft servers, working in the same way as utorrent.  I found mine had it set to the default of "only share with your own PCs on the network".  Clearly Windows can't tell the difference between my own PCs and ones on the internet, because when I changed the setting to "share with everyone on the internet", it started sharing them with my other PCs.  I get the same thing happening when I use a browser, Windows firewall thinks I'm on a "public internet connection such as an internet cafe", when I'm not, I'm on my own hard wired fibre router.

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Peter Hucker wrote: mikey

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I had one small folder on each drive that was for downloads but they were all Boinc only pc's so nothing much. As I said before they are all wiped so no longer a problem. Most of them have Linux Mint on them now while a couple have Ubuntu or another version of Linux on them. I was testing to see which version of Linux I like the best and can make it work with the least command line stuff so went thru a bunch of versions of Linux. I just dropped in a drive let it wipe it and install fresh every time. After I'm done testing that one for a few days I drop it in a drawer with the rest of them and pick one out and do the same thing for the next OS version.

For some reason Windows leaves it's downloads on the disk, but removes them as soon as you issue the disk cleanup command (although I never had to clean up any of my Boinc PCs with 80GB drives).  Maybe it's for torrenting the downloads?  An option (which is stupidly defaulted to off) allows your computers to share the windows update downloads with other people who need them, to increase the downloading speed and decrease the load on the Microsoft servers, working in the same way as utorrent.  I found mine had it set to the default of "only share with your own PCs on the network".  Clearly Windows can't tell the difference between my own PCs and ones on the internet, because when I changed the setting to "share with everyone on the internet", it started sharing them with my other PCs.  I get the same thing happening when I use a browser, Windows firewall thinks I'm on a "public internet connection such as an internet cafe", when I'm not, I'm on my own hard wired fibre router.

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Peter Hucker wrote: mikey

Peter Hucker wrote:

mikey wrote:

I had one small folder on each drive that was for downloads but they were all Boinc only pc's so nothing much. As I said before they are all wiped so no longer a problem. Most of them have Linux Mint on them now while a couple have Ubuntu or another version of Linux on them. I was testing to see which version of Linux I like the best and can make it work with the least command line stuff so went thru a bunch of versions of Linux. I just dropped in a drive let it wipe it and install fresh every time. After I'm done testing that one for a few days I drop it in a drawer with the rest of them and pick one out and do the same thing for the next OS version.

I get the same thing happening when I use a browser, Windows firewall thinks I'm on a "public internet connection such as an internet cafe", when I'm not, I'm on my own hard wired fibre router. 

I get that too sometimes and I have no idea why? It makes no sense for it to think my router is 'a cafe' as you say, why not just ask me and I can give them the right answer.

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mikey wrote: I get that too

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I get that too sometimes and I have no idea why? It makes no sense for it to think my router is 'a cafe' as you say, why not just ask me and I can give them the right answer.

I gave up trying to find out why.  If you search for the problem on Google, it's common.  But the only answers are how to change it manually.  I did this, which only worked for a while then it went back again.  I even found someone saying whenever he turned off his router, Windows thought the connection was now public!  So no connection to the internet at all, and less safe?!  Microsoft don't have a clue about anything, I just nudge stuff until it does enough to allow me to do what I need to do.  I can't be bothered wasting time making things be configured perfectly, only to find that an update resets all the hard work I did.

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Peter Hucker wrote: mikey

Peter Hucker wrote:

mikey wrote:

I get that too sometimes and I have no idea why? It makes no sense for it to think my router is 'a cafe' as you say, why not just ask me and I can give them the right answer.

I gave up trying to find out why.  If you search for the problem on Google, it's common.  But the only answers are how to change it manually.  I did this, which only worked for a while then it went back again.  I even found someone saying whenever he turned off his router, Windows thought the connection was now public!  So no connection to the internet at all, and less safe?!  Microsoft don't have a clue about anything, I just nudge stuff until it does enough to allow me to do what I need to do.  I can't be bothered wasting time making things be configured perfectly, only to find that an update resets all the hard work I did.

 

You've got it backwards.  Your computer locks its sharing settings down on public networks, making you safer than on private networks where more or less anything goes.

 

No internet being treated as public gives a pretty good indication of how they're doing the automatic selection.  They're using your public IP and looking it up in an ownership database to figure out of it belongs to a residential internet provider, or someone offering internet to the public at large (eg charblecks, hotels, etc).

 

If your connection is periodically toggling from one to the other, you presumably don't have a fixed IP address (almost no residential customers do these days), and the one assigned by your ISP both periodically changes (either on a fixed schedule, or potentially every time your modem dis/reconnects) and either isn't in the database MS uses; or is present and miscategorized.  Unfortunately there's really not anything you can do about it.  Your ISP (the owner of the IP) might; but either they can't or don't care enough to do anything.  Don't waste your and a supper persons time calling to complain; anyone you're able to talk too won't know what you're talking about or be able to do anything.

 

This last bit is pure speculation on my part.  But the one thing you might be able to do is if your network has a generic name (eg "netgear" or "ISPname Customer") go into your router settings and give it a unique name.  It's possible (remember this is pure speculation on my part) that a non-generic name might be used as a signal to Windows that it's still on the same network even after IP changes.  This speculation's based mostly on my never having a problem and always doing so; but since it could just have been my being lucky with ISPs I'm only guessing.  Just remember that if you do rename your network, you'll need to manually reconnect everything that uses wifi.

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DanNeely wrote: You've got

DanNeely wrote:

You've got it backwards.  Your computer locks its sharing settings down on public networks, making you safer than on private networks where more or less anything goes.

 

No internet being treated as public gives a pretty good indication of how they're doing the automatic selection.  They're using your public IP and looking it up in an ownership database to figure out of it belongs to a residential internet provider, or someone offering internet to the public at large (eg charblecks, hotels, etc).

 

If your connection is periodically toggling from one to the other, you presumably don't have a fixed IP address (almost no residential customers do these days), and the one assigned by your ISP both periodically changes (either on a fixed schedule, or potentially every time your modem dis/reconnects) and either isn't in the database MS uses; or is present and miscategorized.  Unfortunately there's really not anything you can do about it.  Your ISP (the owner of the IP) might; but either they can't or don't care enough to do anything.  Don't waste your and a supper persons time calling to complain; anyone you're able to talk too won't know what you're talking about or be able to do anything.

 

This last bit is pure speculation on my part.  But the one thing you might be able to do is if your network has a generic name (eg "netgear" or "ISPname Customer") go into your router settings and give it a unique name.  It's possible (remember this is pure speculation on my part) that a non-generic name might be used as a signal to Windows that it's still on the same network even after IP changes.  This speculation's based mostly on my never having a problem and always doing so; but since it could just have been my being lucky with ISPs I'm only guessing.  Just remember that if you do rename your network, you'll need to manually reconnect everything that uses wifi.

Maybe it's different in America, but here in the UK we all have fixed IPs.  It makes it easier for the customer, the ISP, and for the government spies.  Mine has been the same since I got fibre about 5-10 years ago.  I can only assume the lookup system you mentioned is falling over / too busy sometimes and fails to check if my IP is residential.

But is residential enough to tell if it's private?  British Telecom runs a system where you get cheaper internet if you allow your wireless connection to be shared.  In return, when you take your laptop out and about, you can connect to anyone's Wifi that uses their system without any configuring.  So how would Windows know if I was on my own router or someone else's?

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mikey wrote: Peter Hucker

mikey wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

mikey wrote:

As I said it was Windows stuff and I didn't feel comfortable deleting what I had no clue was so I just got a bigger drive and moved on.

If it's Windows stuff and not your own stuff, then disk cleanup removes a tonne. 

 

I had one small folder on each drive that was for downloads but they were all Boinc only pc's so nothing much. As I said before they are all wiped so no longer a problem. Most of them have Linux Mint on them now while a couple have Ubuntu or another version of Linux on them. I was testing to see which version of Linux I like the best and can make it work with the least command line stuff so went thru a bunch of versions of Linux. I just dropped in a drive let it wipe it and install fresh every time. After I'm done testing that one for a few days I drop it in a drawer with the rest of them and pick one out and do the same thing for the next OS version.

Just had the computer with the 80GB drive fill up!  24 CPU cores and a GPU running 6 projects, including large stuff like LHC.  But I found the real hog - hibernation file!  Since it has 36GB of RAM and 80GB of disk, the hibernation file is a considerable portion of the disk.  Disabled hibernation in the command prompt and deleted the file.  That's better.

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Peter Hucker wrote: Just had

Peter Hucker wrote:

Just had the computer with the 80GB drive fill up!  24 CPU cores and a GPU running 6 projects, including large stuff like LHC.  But I found the real hog - hibernation file!  Since it has 36GB of RAM and 80GB of disk, the hibernation file is a considerable portion of the disk.  Disabled hibernation in the command prompt and deleted the file.  That's better. 

You KNOW I said WOO HOO, but then my happiness sank as I always turned that off, never used it even on laptops so it wasn't that for me. :-)))

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