Doubling the GPU computing power

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I would like to raise the GPU computing capabilities of my computers (say double it). Actually I am using several NVIDIA GTS 450 (1 GB GDDR5) that are doing their job pretty well, I think compared to their price *and* (much more important in the long run) their power consumption:
3 BRP tasks at a time in ~5700 s, which means 1900 s for one BRP task.

What would you recommend to buy? Is GTS 450 now out of date? Do the new Kepler cards perform better compared to their power consumption?

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Doubling the GPU computing power

This is a perfect collection of crunch-times
http://www.dskag.at/images/Research/EinsteinGPUperformancelist.pdf
You can decide how much crunching power is good for you, then you can compare price and power consumption.

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Hello, They are by no

Hello,

They are by no means the fastest cards, but for optimal results per KwH I recommend nVidia 650ti's. They will do 2 simultaneous units in approximately 3600 seconds if you have at least PCI-E 2.0 8x for each, and consume about 50w each (they are rated at 65w, but don't use that much doing BRP4). They only need one 6-pin connector each, and the two machines I have running with two cards each consume about 175w/hour and 220w/hour respectively (lower power unit's CPU is a 35w i3 3220t, and higher a 95w FX-6100). This means I can use inexpensive 400w power supplies.

The above won't raise your production much from 450's, but it will lower your power bill. If you also want to raise your output, a 660ti is still fairly efficient. It will cost you a little more than 2x as much as a 650ti, use 2x as much power, and give you almost (but not quite) 2x the results. They also need 2 6-pin connectors each, which means a larger and more expensive power supply.

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Just don´t forget in E@H is

Just don´t forget in E@H is not just your GPU card power that counts, you need to keep in mind the PCI-e saturation, so you need to think well before choose the right card. Most of the time a single mid range GPU like the 670 could do proportionaly more science than 2 smaller cards or a big 690, because the way the PCI-e slots/CPU works. But each system is unique so the only way to know for sure is testing.

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I have found that, on the

I have found that, on the motherboard, you need at least 16x PCI-E 2.0 or 8x of PCI-E 3.0 to take full advantage of one low-end 600-series card (650 or 650ti); 8x on PCI-E 2.0 (or 16x on 1.0) equals about a 10% loss in output from bandwidth throttling.

I've had mostly similar results on the 650 / 650ti on CPUs from Core2Duo to SandyBridge i3 to AMD FX series. When you get into higher-end cards in this series, PCI-E bandwidth on the CPU itself also becomes important.

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RE: Hello, and consume

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Hello,

and consume about 50w each (they are rated at 65w, but don't use that much doing BRP4). They only need one 6-pin connector each, and the two machines I have running with two cards each consume about 175w/hour and 220w/hour respectively (lower power unit's CPU is a 35w i3 3220t, and higher a 95w FX-6100). This means I can use inexpensive 400w power supplies.

Hi,
did you really use a meter to check the power consumption? According to the information I have, the GTX650ti is ratet at 110W at full load.
I checked my GTX550ti, which is rated at 100W; the card draws these 100Watts.

Alexander

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Juan BFB wrote: RE: But

Juan BFB wrote:

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But each system is unique so the only way to know for sure is testing.


Since you are absolutely right, I ordered one GTX660 (GK106 GPU) to give it a try. It won't be a bad card, even if it's not the best in terms of credit per Watt.

Thank you for your answers.

Heinrich

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RE: RE: Hello, and

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Hello,

and consume about 50w each (they are rated at 65w, but don't use that much doing BRP4). They only need one 6-pin connector each, and the two machines I have running with two cards each consume about 175w/hour and 220w/hour respectively (lower power unit's CPU is a 35w i3 3220t, and higher a 95w FX-6100). This means I can use inexpensive 400w power supplies.

Hi,
did you really use a meter to check the power consumption? According to the information I have, the GTX650ti is ratet at 110W at full load.
I checked my GTX550ti, which is rated at 100W; the card draws these 100Watts.

Alexander

I agree they do pull the power they are rated at. Now with that said. You should never ever skimp on a power supply. The lower wattage power supply may work but with the stress of pulling power "wattage" they will not last as long as a higher wattage power supply. With today computers and CPU's and GPU's you really should not use less than 500 watt power supply. Keep in mind the lower power 1's may work but for sure they will not stand the test of time.

PC setup MSI-970A-G46 AMD FX-8350 8 core OC'd 4.45GHz 16GB ram PC3-10700 Geforce GTX 650Ti Windows 7 x64 Einstein@Home

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RE: RE: RE: Hello,

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Hello,

and consume about 50w each (they are rated at 65w, but don't use that much doing BRP4). They only need one 6-pin connector each, and the two machines I have running with two cards each consume about 175w/hour and 220w/hour respectively (lower power unit's CPU is a 35w i3 3220t, and higher a 95w FX-6100). This means I can use inexpensive 400w power supplies.

Hi,
did you really use a meter to check the power consumption? According to the information I have, the GTX650ti is ratet at 110W at full load.
I checked my GTX550ti, which is rated at 100W; the card draws these 100Watts.

Alexander

I agree they do pull the power they are rated at.


Absolutely. I have actual power meter readings for both 650 and 650Ti GPUs. They pull very close to 60W and 110W respectively.

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Now with that said. You should never ever skimp on a power supply.


Absolutely, but ...

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The lower wattage power supply may work but with the stress of pulling power "wattage" they will not last as long as a higher wattage power supply. With today computers and CPU's and GPU's you really should not use less than 500 watt power supply. Keep in mind the lower power 1's may work but for sure they will not stand the test of time.


... you really can't just make a blanket statement of 500W without pointing out that it all depends on the quality of components used, the efficiency of conversion from mains to DC and the honesty of the manufacturer in labeling the rated outputs, what the actual power draw from the wall will be, as well as (for recent systems) the availability of 12V power.

Modern systems require the bulk of their power to be 12V power. The only way for the average volunteer to get a handle on all this is to do a bit of research on hardware review sites. I've found this one to be useful in getting a very good feel for what to look for in a PSU. I've learned never to trust claimed outputs of unknown generic brands. For many branded units, it's always good to find out who actually made the unit in the first place. You can find out how to do this on the site I linked to.

Nearly 4 years ago, I bought a bulk lot of 300W PSUs. They were branded "Ipex" but were manufactured by Seasonic (a very reputable manufacturer) and there was a Seasonic model with identical specs that I found a review for. They were rated at 300W with 270W on the 12V rail. They have all been in 24/7 use in my systens, mainly in a sub-tropical non-air-conditioned environment and there has actually been one failure (out of 50 units) only. I've seen 500-600W units that wont last 12 months under these conditions.

So, for anybody thinking of upgrading your hardware, identify how much power you need, add at least 50% on top for safety and buy a quality unit that can actually deliver what the label says. To do that you need to come up with a list of candidates and research them on reputable review sites.

Cheers,
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RE: did you really use a

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did you really use a meter to check the power consumption? According to the information I have, the GTX650ti is ratet at 110W at full load.
I checked my GTX550ti, which is rated at 100W; the card draws these 100Watts.

Hi Alex,

Sorry, I mis-spoke. The 650's are rated at 65w, and the 650ti's at 110w, as you say.

I have a Kill-o-Watt meter for testing power draw.

On my machine with the FX-6100, with dual superclocked EVGA 650ti:

~230w with both cards running 2x simultaneous tasks, 95%+ GPU usage.
~155w with one card running (this implies 75w draw at full load, 230-155=75).
~100w with both cards installed, not crunching.
~90w with one card, not crunching (this implies 10w draw at idle, 100-90=10).

So, the base system draws 80w at idle, each card 10w for total 100w. At load (2 cards, 2 tasks each, no CPU tasks), 80w + (2 * 75w) or 230w.

I think maybe the reason E@H is not drawing the full 110w potential from the Kepler card but does from Fermi is because of the Kepler architecture having different speeds for the shader and memory clocks, when Fermi has both at the same speed? The cards probably do draw 110w when under a full gaming load. Or I have a very badly calibrated Kill-o-Watt meter, but that would mean it's 30% off, which seems unlikely.

Alec

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... you really can't just make a blanket statement of 500W without pointing out that it all depends on the quality of components used, the efficiency of conversion from mains to DC and the honesty of the manufacturer in labeling the rated outputs, what the actual power draw from the wall will be, as well as (for recent systems) the availability of 12V power.

Yeah ya right... Sometimes I forget to go in to detail. Been building computers for so long I sometimes take for granted my exp. and others not having it. Sorry only human and I do forget things "the little things". Ok over all system wide specs always go over what you are planning to do. Like I built this desktop mainly for games such as the sims 3 but I added a bit more power just in case I want/need to do something else. The old saying "It's better to have and not need than to need and not have" :)

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So, for anybody thinking of upgrading your hardware, identify how much power you need, add at least 50% on top for safety and buy a quality unit that can actually deliver what the label says.

Agreed and well said. Always should use quality components.

PC setup MSI-970A-G46 AMD FX-8350 8 core OC'd 4.45GHz 16GB ram PC3-10700 Geforce GTX 650Ti Windows 7 x64 Einstein@Home

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