Another SETI@home orphan...

Warhawk
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Hey, y'all... I'm a orphaned cruncher from SETI Classic, a six and a half year veteran with more than 75,000 work units to my credit. I probably would have continued with SETI if it hadn't been for the shabby treatment that we Classic crunchers received near the end...

I've currently got 15 machines crunching for Einstein and may well bring over all the machines on my network.

A question for you experienced BOINCers... is there any way to get rid of the BOINC icon in my system tray? Many of my machines have a ton of apps running in the background and I don't need another icon parked down there... Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!!

Warhawk

It's easier to beg for forgiveness that it is to ask for permission...

-AFFTC

arashi
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Another SETI@home orphan...

Warhawk, please read my reply in
this post.
Happy crunching and thanks for your contribution!

Michael Roycraft
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RE: A question for you

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A question for you experienced BOINCers... is there any way to get rid of the BOINC icon in my system tray? Many of my machines have a ton of apps running in the background and I don't need another icon parked down there... Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!!

Warhawk

Warhawk,

I believe that the Service Installation does without the SysTray icon. You may want to try that. Otherwise, some one more experienced with that type of installation will have to step in here.

Michael

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Warhawk
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RE: RE: A question for

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A question for you experienced BOINCers... is there any way to get rid of the BOINC icon in my system tray? Many of my machines have a ton of apps running in the background and I don't need another icon parked down there... Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!!

Warhawk

Warhawk,

I believe that the Service Installation does without the SysTray icon. You may want to try that. Otherwise, some one more experienced with that type of installation will have to step in here.

Michael

I've got all 15 of my boxes running BOINC as a service... I'm going to give Arashi's suggestion a shot when I get to my home network...

Thanks, y'all...

It's easier to beg for forgiveness that it is to ask for permission...

-AFFTC

Sharky T
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If it's Windows go for

If it's Windows go for properties on "Start button",chose Taskbar,click on customize and find Boinc Manager and select "Always hide".

Is this enough? :)


Steve Cressman
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RE: Hey, y'all... I'm a

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Hey, y'all... I'm a orphaned cruncher from SETI Classic, a six and a half year veteran with more than 75,000 work units to my credit. I probably would have continued with SETI if it hadn't been for the shabby treatment that we Classic crunchers received near the end...

I've currently got 15 machines crunching for Einstein and may well bring over all the machines on my network.

A question for you experienced BOINCers... is there any way to get rid of the BOINC icon in my system tray? Many of my machines have a ton of apps running in the background and I don't need another icon parked down there... Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!!

Warhawk

I think Berkeley did good job shutting down classic, and they gave us 1.5 years to make the swithch to Boinc. I didn't wait, joined Boinc community when I first found out about it. If you did not know classic was coming to an end and not ready for classic demise then you must have been living under a rock.

98SE XP2500+ @ 2.1 GHz Boinc v5.8.8

Warhawk
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Ahhh.. thanks for the ever so friendly welcome...

Certainly I knew that Classic was shutting down... We all knew that it would shut down eventually... As I mentioned, I crunched for Classic for six and a half years, starting July 8th of 1999, and produced more work than 99.969% of Classic users... We on the Classic side should have been treated better or at least equally...

My beef is the way that the folks a Berkeley kept the folks on the Classic side in the dark regarding virtually everything... There were essentially no updates posted at the SETI Classic web site... We most often had to rely on folks with some level of inside knowledge to get information...

Bottom line is that the treatment afforded us by Berkeley drove many dedicated participants away from what was a most worthwhile project...

Warhawk

I think Berkeley did good job shutting down classic, and they gave us 1.5 years to make the swithch to Boinc. I didn't wait, joined Boinc community when I first found out about it. If you did not know classic was coming to an end and not ready for classic demise then you must have been living under a rock.


It's easier to beg for forgiveness that it is to ask for permission...

-AFFTC

John Cropper
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RE: My beef is the way that

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My beef is the way that the folks a Berkeley kept the folks on the Classic side in the dark regarding virtually everything...

Lack of information-sharing was not limited to Classic. A lack of staff and funding kept virtually EVERYONE in the dark until (long) after issues were resolved. While I can understand the over-tasking of some individuals within the organization, part of their 'justification for funding' should have included remediating the communications issues along with the technical ones.

They continue to slog along from outage to crisis, with no real communications methodology, other than the occasional bread crumb from Matt & staff, a handful of volunteers working in the twilight of the loop and myriad indeterminate quantities of cheerleaders and detractors that pop up from time-to-time on the message boards like some crazed, crack-driven Whack-A-Mole game.

During the last outage (the Transition Outage, caused mainly by a failed disk volume, coupled with a migration flood from classic), I moved a couple of SETI work-exhausted units over here after researching who seemed to have their project in order (good, steady workflow; decent communications; strong development team and a decent respect for their contributors). I've since shifted the bulk of my farm over here in the last 72 hours and assumed a 5/1 crunch state in favor of this goal. While SETI may not find intelligent life in the next 50 years, at least this project will help to develop a nice 3-D 'roadmap' to guide pioneers to get out to visit the rest of the local neighborhood in that time period...

Oh yeah, welcome aboard... ;o)


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Bill Michael
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RE: They continue to slog

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They continue to slog along from outage to crisis, with no real communications methodology

Now _that_ is a good summary of UCB... (I especially like the "Whack-a-mole" analogy.) They have plenty of reasons and excuses, and I don't fault (most) of the staff simply because of the conditions they have to deal with, but from a participant viewpoint, "slogging along" is a pretty accurate description.

SETI is the 'granddaddy' of DC projects (although I seem to recall doing RC5 before SETI...) and will probably always have _some_ of my resource share, but since I've moved to BOINC, I've found that there is a wide range of "quality" in the various projects. Einstein gets the highest marks on quality of the software _and_ "good" marks on quality of the staff participation/communication. Rosetta is still "new" and having minor problems on the software side, but has even better-than-Einstein communication levels. The other projects seem to range from "just a bit better than SETI" down to "we'll look at the software problems - someday - meanwhile we'll tell you it'll all be fixed tomorrow".

Specifically addressing the SETI Classic shutdown, I don't know if it was "shabby treatment" or not, but it was _TYPICAL_ treatment... The assumption was that all the info (such as it was) would be posted on the SETI/BOINC boards, as they had already said they were not adding to or supporting the Classic boards quite some time before the switchover. Not that they put a _whole_ lot there, either...

Welcome to BOINC, and welcome to Einstein. Check out other projects as well - it's rare to need a "backup project" for Einstein (I've never run out of Einstein work) but it's a good idea with BOINC to at least have a second project on every machine, with (imho) around a 10-20% resource share.

Paul D. Buck
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RE: We on the Classic side

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We on the Classic side should have been treated better or at least equally...


Not to start an argument, but, treated better than whom?

John Cropper
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RE: Not to start an

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Not to start an argument, but, treated better than whom?

...don't know how you do it Paul, except to say that my job is just like your hobby...

We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing,
have done so much, for so long, with so little,
that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing! ;o)


Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT

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