Funny I have run nothing but Windows and IE for 10 years (besides testing all the others always mentioned) and I have never had any of the problems "supposedly" had by people......and I pretty much figured people that have been doing this here since the Seti Classic days aren't easily tricked rookies.
Seems to me it is more like trying to endorse other browsers and search engines and OS's.
More interesting is to compare the "clangers" dropped and whether the fix came out before or after exploitation.
True. This is a post-exploitation discussion. From what I've read, the incidence of the exploit is very low.
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Unfortunately, the ActiveX that is an 'integral' part of IE appears to be painfully vulnerable to abuse. Do you trust any random website to have full control of your computer user account?!
See, this is where all of you are approaching this wrong. What you do is you just set up a VM, then if the VM gets hacked, who cares? Blow away the VM image and make a new VM or restore an unhacked backup of the VM.
Meh, far less trouble to just run a better browser (Firefox) on a better OS (Linux).
I'm "not nerdy enough", apparently, to see Linux as "better". Sure it may not cost anything to get a copy, but the cost of retraining is there. Additionally you may have a hard time getting even semi-new hardware to cooperate and/or have full functionality. I do believe that Creative X-Fi cards are still problematic. I also know that some features of my Logitech MX Revolution mouse don't work. Graphics, particularly gaming, is also still slower. As someone who doesn't own a console (xbox, Wii, etc...), any gaming I do is on the PC, which I'm very irritated at LucasArts for not making a PC version of The Force Unleashed. There are now systems that can handle the physics engine... To me, that's like if id Software decided that they weren't going to make Doom 3 or Quake 4 for the PC...
Anyway, I'm not enthused enough at the moment to get into battles where I know opinions on the other side are simply not going to be swayed as far as the "better" OS and browser...
Question though: If Microsoft adopted release cycles similar to what Ubuntu does, would people then see them as "more responsive"?
Anyway, I'm not enthused enough at the moment to get into battles where I know opinions on the other side are simply not going to be swayed as far as the "better" OS and browser...
The two should be considered separately. You should have a choice.
Whatever is 'better' is whatever works best for your usage.
The main battle concerns more the collateral damage... :-( I've lost time yet again on a wild goose chase due to a glut of updates rolling around today. Can I charge Microsoft for costs and aggravation? Ooops... Guess I forgot about their EULA... :-(
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Question though: If Microsoft adopted release cycles similar to what Ubuntu does, would people then see them as "more responsive"?
Could their Marketing department and lawyers survive that?
What might be prejudice, sour grapes, Goebbels 'effect', or reality?...
Anyway, I'm not enthused enough at the moment to get into battles where I know opinions on the other side are simply not going to be swayed as far as the "better" OS and browser...
The two should be considered separately. You should have a choice.
I do "have a choice". Every single one of us "has a choice". Just because one does not know about the choices that one has does not mean that the choices do not exist.
I do "have a choice". Every single one of us "has a choice". Just because one does not know about the choices that one has does not mean that the choices do not exist.
If so and fairly so, then good.
However, I question some of the practices that deliberately limit or sabotage fair choice. Two easy examples are (unchosen by the user) pre-installation of software including the desktop icons, and the sabotage of standards to create "proprietary lock-in" (that also makes the rest of the world appear to be 'broken').
No need to mention the continuous court cases in session for various 'dirty tricks'.
Another example: Can you buy a ready made PC on the highstreet without any OS already installed?
(Note also that in some respects, Apple play a similar game to that of Microsoft but significantly Apple has a much lower market share and no live-in-the-wild viruses...)
I've downloaded and installed the IE patch from MS. All working OK.
Are some people making a 5 star performance out of a 2 star affair?
Martin has anti-Microsoft tendencies. I have anti-anti-Microsoft tendencies. I think that Linux advocates haven't clued in on the fact that the overwhelming majority of people are not "geeks" and will not like having to dig around the guts of the OS to get things to work properly. It's great that people "have a choice" and all that, but it seems to me that the only thing that will really make people like Martin happy is if a major computer manufacturer builds systems that come configured as dual-boot with some sort of Linux distribution on the system and the user is presented GRUB (or another bootloader) to make a choice.
I do "have a choice". Every single one of us "has a choice". Just because one does not know about the choices that one has does not mean that the choices do not exist.
If so and fairly so, then good.
However, I question some of the practices that deliberately limit or sabotage fair choice. Two easy examples are (unchosen by the user) pre-installation of software including the desktop icons, and the sabotage of standards to create "proprietary lock-in" (that also makes the rest of the world appear to be 'broken').
Like I said, the vast majority of people are not geeks and they honestly don't get worked up about what you're upset about. They don't want to go through installing the OS. They don't care if someone else has already pre-configured some things. They're not going to whine on internet forums about how shafted they were...because they are ok with it.
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Funny I have run nothing but Windows and IE for 10 years (besides testing all the others always mentioned) and I have never had any of the problems "supposedly" had by people......and I pretty much figured people that have been doing this here since the Seti Classic days aren't easily tricked rookies.
Seems to me it is more like trying to endorse other browsers and search engines and OS's.
I have always found this amusing.
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I'm "not nerdy enough", apparently, to see Linux as "better". Sure it may not cost anything to get a copy, but the cost of retraining is there. Additionally you may have a hard time getting even semi-new hardware to cooperate and/or have full functionality. I do believe that Creative X-Fi cards are still problematic. I also know that some features of my Logitech MX Revolution mouse don't work. Graphics, particularly gaming, is also still slower. As someone who doesn't own a console (xbox, Wii, etc...), any gaming I do is on the PC, which I'm very irritated at LucasArts for not making a PC version of The Force Unleashed. There are now systems that can handle the physics engine... To me, that's like if id Software decided that they weren't going to make Doom 3 or Quake 4 for the PC...
Anyway, I'm not enthused enough at the moment to get into battles where I know opinions on the other side are simply not going to be swayed as far as the "better" OS and browser...
Question though: If Microsoft adopted release cycles similar to what Ubuntu does, would people then see them as "more responsive"?
RE: But regardless,
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Post-infection duties could be extended to exporting bookmarks for restoration before wiping the VM.
Is that like the score cards near the end of this?
RE: Anyway, I'm not
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The two should be considered separately. You should have a choice.
Whatever is 'better' is whatever works best for your usage.
The main battle concerns more the collateral damage... :-( I've lost time yet again on a wild goose chase due to a glut of updates rolling around today. Can I charge Microsoft for costs and aggravation? Ooops... Guess I forgot about their EULA... :-(
Could their Marketing department and lawyers survive that?
What might be prejudice, sour grapes, Goebbels 'effect', or reality?...
Oooooops, just hit Godwin's Law!
Microsoft have their place and their part to play but will they allow us any choice?
Would spammers have such an easy and profitable ride if not for Microsoft and complicit ISPs?
Happy crunchin',
Martin
(Just my personal opinion as ever.)
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Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
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RE: RE: Anyway, I'm not
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I do "have a choice". Every single one of us "has a choice". Just because one does not know about the choices that one has does not mean that the choices do not exist.
RE: I do "have a choice".
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If so and fairly so, then good.
However, I question some of the practices that deliberately limit or sabotage fair choice. Two easy examples are (unchosen by the user) pre-installation of software including the desktop icons, and the sabotage of standards to create "proprietary lock-in" (that also makes the rest of the world appear to be 'broken').
No need to mention the continuous court cases in session for various 'dirty tricks'.
Another example: Can you buy a ready made PC on the highstreet without any OS already installed?
(Note also that in some respects, Apple play a similar game to that of Microsoft but significantly Apple has a much lower market share and no live-in-the-wild viruses...)
Regards,
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
Umm.... I've downloaded
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I've downloaded and installed the IE patch from MS. All working OK.
Are some people making a 5 star performance out of a 2 star affair?
Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)
Why do doctors have to practice?
You'd think they'd have got it right by now
Quite right too ...
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Quite right too ... poooeeee!
Shih-Tzu are clever, cuddly, playful and rule!! Jack Russell are feisty!
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Martin has anti-Microsoft tendencies. I have anti-anti-Microsoft tendencies. I think that Linux advocates haven't clued in on the fact that the overwhelming majority of people are not "geeks" and will not like having to dig around the guts of the OS to get things to work properly. It's great that people "have a choice" and all that, but it seems to me that the only thing that will really make people like Martin happy is if a major computer manufacturer builds systems that come configured as dual-boot with some sort of Linux distribution on the system and the user is presented GRUB (or another bootloader) to make a choice.
RE: RE: I do "have a
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Like I said, the vast majority of people are not geeks and they honestly don't get worked up about what you're upset about. They don't want to go through installing the OS. They don't care if someone else has already pre-configured some things. They're not going to whine on internet forums about how shafted they were...because they are ok with it.