If you look at historical data for Einstein@Home, you can see that around this time of year, there's always a decline in active hosts, because of summer on the northern hemisphere. The decline will continue for two more month or so.
The active hosts count is higher in this statistics, probably because the threshold value in days for inactivity is higher. Classifying a host as inactive that has not been active for the past 7 days is a bit pessimistic, IMHO.
The active hosts count is higher in this statistics, probably because the threshold value in days for inactivity is higher. Classifying a host as inactive that has not been active for the past 7 days is a bit pessimistic, IMHO.
Perhaps, especially given that there are numerous hosts that are now taking over 7 days to complete and report a single result...
All in all, I agree that there's a high likelihood of "Summertime" impact going on...
BTW, did you see my question to you about finding an FX-55 or FX-57 on Linux to compare against? It was hidden in a post not directed to you. I'm sneaky like that... :)
BTW, did you see my question to you about finding an FX-55 or FX-57 on Linux to compare against? It was hidden in a post not directed to you. I'm sneaky like that... :)
Have no idea how to find one except for the obvious "google for it" approach, but couldn't actually locate one, yet. Maybe later today
Have no idea how to find one except for the obvious "google for it" approach, but couldn't actually locate one, yet. Maybe later today
The results I got from my google search were a lot of boincstats hits. I didn't try to follow them to see where they led me... As you say, perhaps later...
I can sort of understand that many crunchers, especially AMD users, are getting frustrated (especially those who bought hardware just for crunching). It is sort of long ago that we got an official update and that can be a bit demotivating even to the more dedicated among us. True, there aren't many crashes around, but after months I still have to use a "hacked" binary to cut the Win penalty on my Venice core AMD down from more than 65% (!) to a more acceptable 30, compared to the Linux app (hey guys, this is, among other stuff, my gaming box... I WANT to run Windows on it from time to time) and no one has been able to figure out why my Core Duo laptop also suffers a 40% Win penalty while it does perfectly okay in all other projects under both OSs. I haven't given up on Einstein altogether but have redirected some of my resources towards Prime Grid and Malariacontrol (hell, does that Venice do a good job with those new predictor WUs).
I can sort of understand that many crunchers, especially AMD users, are getting frustrated (especially those who bought hardware just for crunching). It is sort of long ago that we got an official update and that can be a bit demotivating even to the more dedicated among us. True, there aren't many crashes around, but after months I still have to use a "hacked" binary to cut the Win penalty on my Venice core AMD down from more than 65% (!) to a more acceptable 30, compared to the Linux app (hey guys, this is, among other stuff, my gaming box... I WANT to run Windows on it from time to time) and no one has been able to figure out why my Core Duo laptop also suffers a 40% Win penalty while it does perfectly okay in all other projects under both OSs. I haven't given up on Einstein altogether but have redirected some of my resources towards Prime Grid and Malariacontrol (hell, does that Venice do a good job with those new predictor WUs).
Hi Annika,
long time no see!
Yes, your notebook was kind of special. I'm curious how any optimized apps will run on it, once we will get those.
I'm glad you're still with us inspite of the AMD troubles!
but after months I still have to use a "hacked" binary to cut the Win penalty on my Venice core AMD down from more than 65% (!) to a more acceptable 30, compared to the Linux app
I was quite surprised when I saw that tiny A64 3000+ being able to handily beat my machine even while working on a result that was longer-running than what I was trying to compare... While I know that using energy consumption as an excuse for excessive demands from the project is not exactly how to handle the frustration, the project needs to understand that with the rising costs of energy, they need to respond to getting some sort of general parity between platforms within their own project before even thinking about cross-project parity. 10% difference is marginally acceptable. The 30 to 65% range you mentioned is truly unacceptable and would never be tolerated if this was a commercial application and is likely only tolerated because of the fact that work is being done at a fast enough pace for the scientists.
Have no idea how to find one except for the obvious "google for it" approach, but couldn't actually locate one, yet. Maybe later today
You don't need to do that now. Don't know why FalconFly didn't jump to my mind right away... I've sent email. I can use the 4400+ systems for 1MB cache comparisons. Need to know if any of the systems are overclocked or if they are all stock speeds though...
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Sort of points out what's going on. I wish they had a graph or validated WU/failed WU's, that would be interesting.
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Not necessarily.
If you look at historical data for Einstein@Home, you can see that around this time of year, there's always a decline in active hosts, because of summer on the northern hemisphere. The decline will continue for two more month or so.
The active hosts count is higher in this statistics, probably because the threshold value in days for inactivity is higher. Classifying a host as inactive that has not been active for the past 7 days is a bit pessimistic, IMHO.
CU
BRM
RE: The active hosts count
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Perhaps, especially given that there are numerous hosts that are now taking over 7 days to complete and report a single result...
All in all, I agree that there's a high likelihood of "Summertime" impact going on...
BTW, did you see my question to you about finding an FX-55 or FX-57 on Linux to compare against? It was hidden in a post not directed to you. I'm sneaky like that... :)
RE: BTW, did you see my
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Have no idea how to find one except for the obvious "google for it" approach, but couldn't actually locate one, yet. Maybe later today
CU
BRM
RE: Have no idea how to
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The results I got from my google search were a lot of boincstats hits. I didn't try to follow them to see where they led me... As you say, perhaps later...
I can sort of understand that
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I can sort of understand that many crunchers, especially AMD users, are getting frustrated (especially those who bought hardware just for crunching). It is sort of long ago that we got an official update and that can be a bit demotivating even to the more dedicated among us. True, there aren't many crashes around, but after months I still have to use a "hacked" binary to cut the Win penalty on my Venice core AMD down from more than 65% (!) to a more acceptable 30, compared to the Linux app (hey guys, this is, among other stuff, my gaming box... I WANT to run Windows on it from time to time) and no one has been able to figure out why my Core Duo laptop also suffers a 40% Win penalty while it does perfectly okay in all other projects under both OSs. I haven't given up on Einstein altogether but have redirected some of my resources towards Prime Grid and Malariacontrol (hell, does that Venice do a good job with those new predictor WUs).
RE: I can sort of
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Hi Annika,
long time no see!
Yes, your notebook was kind of special. I'm curious how any optimized apps will run on it, once we will get those.
I'm glad you're still with us inspite of the AMD troubles!
CU
H-B
RE: but after months I
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I was quite surprised when I saw that tiny A64 3000+ being able to handily beat my machine even while working on a result that was longer-running than what I was trying to compare... While I know that using energy consumption as an excuse for excessive demands from the project is not exactly how to handle the frustration, the project needs to understand that with the rising costs of energy, they need to respond to getting some sort of general parity between platforms within their own project before even thinking about cross-project parity. 10% difference is marginally acceptable. The 30 to 65% range you mentioned is truly unacceptable and would never be tolerated if this was a commercial application and is likely only tolerated because of the fact that work is being done at a fast enough pace for the scientists.
Brian
RE: Have no idea how to
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You don't need to do that now. Don't know why FalconFly didn't jump to my mind right away... I've sent email. I can use the 4400+ systems for 1MB cache comparisons. Need to know if any of the systems are overclocked or if they are all stock speeds though...
Brian