It is kind of funny when you stop and think about it. Why do they have to spend all the time and money in order for "volunteers" to make some kind of a contest out of it?
...because it ultimately benefits them by way of faster processors being purchased, more machines being added, to try to compete with the other person. By having the credit system, the projects spur on the competition between people, thus gaining more processing power.
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I suspect, that just maybe, possibly, no probably, almost without a doubt, it's just the nature of the Beast.
I hope that capitalization was accidental, not that you meant to imply that there is some sort of Satanic involvement...
It is kind of funny when you stop and think about it. Why do they have to spend all the time and money in order for "volunteers" to make some kind of a contest out of it?
I suspect, that just maybe, possibly, no probably, almost without a doubt, it's just the nature of the Beast.
Gary
Well, I'm sure the project's primary scientists for the most part couldn't care less about the credits as long as their data gets crunched.
However Dr. Anderson and the BOINC development team realized right from the start if you wanted to have a general purpose platform to attract volunteer participation from the general public over a variety of projects, you would have to have some sort of motivational 'carrot' and it would have to be comparable between various projects to keep the playing field level and fair.
To be able to do this requires coming up with methods which address the age old problems of comparing dissimilar platforms doing dissimilar work. I would imagine for Computer Scientists finding a vehicle which lets you research and attack that problem, like BOINC does, is a dream come true and virtually irresistable for them.
I'm reasonably sure in the coming years there will be a lot papers written based on the BOINC experience covering scientific areas we haven't even thought of yet.
Or it will be tested as the current application, in a close group..?
The Einstein@Home team is working on a bug fixed version. It will not have any speedups, only bug fixes and improved error reporting. BOINC will download it automatically. The beta test page doesn't run at moment.
Bernd told me that he will write a vectroized code for the main hot loop but only after the bug fixes. The S5R1/S5RI had a very similar hot loop too. I think the speed of the application will be nearly double after the final optimisations.
Meaning what exactly? Is it that nothing is being run for R2, or that for whatever reason that a test project cannot be uploaded to there?
I'm somewhat confused, considering there is a FreeBSD S5R1 test app there right now...and I can download the tar.gz file just fine...and view its' contents with WinRAR just fine as well...
Ah, the K-6s. Great chips at a fair price, I haven't bought an Intel in probably close to 10 years and this is the very first time that I feel I might be at a disadvantage, and you know what, I don't care. AMD has saved computer users millions if not billions of dollars and I'm not about to let this little glitch, that after I have gotten more results back, may be less than 5%.
Gary
LOL, yep I've been happy with my AMD's. The Intels I crunch with I am allowed to quid pro quo. ;-)
I was thinking of going over to the dark side since C2 came out, but some excessive huckstering and pontificating on another forum reminded me how much I hate Intel arrogance (even if they do make good stuff)!
I really do hope Barcy and Agena can knock them down notch or two again. :-)
Ah, the K-6s. Great chips at a fair price, I haven't bought an Intel in probably close to 10 years and this is the very first time that I feel I might be at a disadvantage, and you know what, I don't care. AMD has saved computer users millions if not billions of dollars and I'm not about to let this little glitch, that after I have gotten more results back, may be less than 5%.
Gary
LOL, yep I've been happy with my AMD's. The Intels I crunch with I am allowed to quid pro quo. ;-)
I was thinking of going over to the dark side since C2 came out, but some excessive huckstering and pontificating on another forum reminded me how much I hate Intel arrogance (even if they do make good stuff)!
I really do hope Barcy and Agena can knock them down notch or two again. :-)
Alinator
Barcy and Agena? I assume they are new CPU architecture. Googled 'em but the only they I recognised in English was K-10 Quad cores. I bought an Athlon 600 the first week they came out (dumb) and then a 64bit during the week of their launch (dumber) but it did about everything I needed done and am waited for the next major development before I buy my next state of the art CPU. (this time I may wait longer than a week) For now I'm picking up the leftovers at rock bottom prices and putting in the machine just what I need for it's intended use. So help me out, what's a Barcy and an Agena?
Gary
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Of course I do hope that the various difficulties will be sorted, especially including the 'lowend, slow, slow, slow crunchers' and those on dial-up. We ALL compose the backbone of the project, despite that some directions of movement cause pain. Please be reassured that the development team is doing their level best. :-)
But I want to know. . .
When will the deadlines get extended enough so that I can bring my 200 MHz Cyrix 6x86 back on line? (That's the machine that took 106 hours to crunch a 12-Cobblestone unit a few months ago.)
Well Gary, "Barcy" should be a "Barcelona", which is afaik a new quad core CPU. Dunno any more about it, I'm afraid, and I have no idea what exactly an "Agena" is (except for Atlas-Agena which would be wildly off topic...)
Btw: Got a new router today which goes behind the DSL modem, so my AMD is up and crunching again :-)
Of course I do hope that the various difficulties will be sorted, especially including the 'lowend, slow, slow, slow crunchers' and those on dial-up. We ALL compose the backbone of the project, despite that some directions of movement cause pain. Please be reassured that the development team is doing their level best. :-)
But I want to know. . .
When will the deadlines get extended enough so that I can bring my 200 MHz Cyrix 6x86 back on line? (That's the machine that took 106 hours to crunch a 12-Cobblestone unit a few months ago.)
Ah, a 200 Cyrix. I think I probably still have one around here somewhere. Hot little puppies as I can best recall. But what was really funny, during bootup, it was recognized as a 266 MHz Pentium!
And I would have to agree with you on the value of the users running 1.0 -1.5 or slower chips, on dialup, and would be very interested in how the completed work would "breakdown" between the various CPU speeds. I think most people would be surprised. But I gotta agree with you that the backbone of many of these programs is made up of people with older machines that work perfectly well, but they are not being used after they are replaced with the latest and greatest screemin' gamer box. They need to take a close look before they run too many of these folks off for good.
Gary
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RE: It is kind of funny
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...because it ultimately benefits them by way of faster processors being purchased, more machines being added, to try to compete with the other person. By having the credit system, the projects spur on the competition between people, thus gaining more processing power.
I hope that capitalization was accidental, not that you meant to imply that there is some sort of Satanic involvement...
RE: It is kind of funny
)
Well, I'm sure the project's primary scientists for the most part couldn't care less about the credits as long as their data gets crunched.
However Dr. Anderson and the BOINC development team realized right from the start if you wanted to have a general purpose platform to attract volunteer participation from the general public over a variety of projects, you would have to have some sort of motivational 'carrot' and it would have to be comparable between various projects to keep the playing field level and fair.
To be able to do this requires coming up with methods which address the age old problems of comparing dissimilar platforms doing dissimilar work. I would imagine for Computer Scientists finding a vehicle which lets you research and attack that problem, like BOINC does, is a dream come true and virtually irresistable for them.
I'm reasonably sure in the coming years there will be a lot papers written based on the BOINC experience covering scientific areas we haven't even thought of yet.
Alinator
Mike, Bernard: Will be a beta
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Mike, Bernard: Will be a beta in http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/app_test.php when the developers fix/optimize the current application?
Or it will be tested as the current application, in a close group..?
RE: Mike, Bernard: Will be
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The Einstein@Home team is working on a bug fixed version. It will not have any speedups, only bug fixes and improved error reporting. BOINC will download it automatically. The beta test page doesn't run at moment.
Bernd told me that he will write a vectroized code for the main hot loop but only after the bug fixes. The S5R1/S5RI had a very similar hot loop too. I think the speed of the application will be nearly double after the final optimisations.
RE: The beta test page
)
Meaning what exactly? Is it that nothing is being run for R2, or that for whatever reason that a test project cannot be uploaded to there?
I'm somewhat confused, considering there is a FreeBSD S5R1 test app there right now...and I can download the tar.gz file just fine...and view its' contents with WinRAR just fine as well...
RE: Ah, the K-6s. Great
)
LOL, yep I've been happy with my AMD's. The Intels I crunch with I am allowed to quid pro quo. ;-)
I was thinking of going over to the dark side since C2 came out, but some excessive huckstering and pontificating on another forum reminded me how much I hate Intel arrogance (even if they do make good stuff)!
I really do hope Barcy and Agena can knock them down notch or two again. :-)
Alinator
RE: RE: Ah, the K-6s.
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Barcy and Agena? I assume they are new CPU architecture. Googled 'em but the only they I recognised in English was K-10 Quad cores. I bought an Athlon 600 the first week they came out (dumb) and then a 64bit during the week of their launch (dumber) but it did about everything I needed done and am waited for the next major development before I buy my next state of the art CPU. (this time I may wait longer than a week) For now I'm picking up the leftovers at rock bottom prices and putting in the machine just what I need for it's intended use. So help me out, what's a Barcy and an Agena?
Gary
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Of course I do hope that the
)
Of course I do hope that the various difficulties will be sorted, especially including the 'lowend, slow, slow, slow crunchers' and those on dial-up. We ALL compose the backbone of the project, despite that some directions of movement cause pain. Please be reassured that the development team is doing their level best. :-)
But I want to know. . .
When will the deadlines get extended enough so that I can bring my 200 MHz Cyrix 6x86 back on line? (That's the machine that took 106 hours to crunch a 12-Cobblestone unit a few months ago.)
Well Gary, "Barcy" should be
)
Well Gary, "Barcy" should be a "Barcelona", which is afaik a new quad core CPU. Dunno any more about it, I'm afraid, and I have no idea what exactly an "Agena" is (except for Atlas-Agena which would be wildly off topic...)
Btw: Got a new router today which goes behind the DSL modem, so my AMD is up and crunching again :-)
RE: Of course I do hope
)
Ah, a 200 Cyrix. I think I probably still have one around here somewhere. Hot little puppies as I can best recall. But what was really funny, during bootup, it was recognized as a 266 MHz Pentium!
And I would have to agree with you on the value of the users running 1.0 -1.5 or slower chips, on dialup, and would be very interested in how the completed work would "breakdown" between the various CPU speeds. I think most people would be surprised. But I gotta agree with you that the backbone of many of these programs is made up of people with older machines that work perfectly well, but they are not being used after they are replaced with the latest and greatest screemin' gamer box. They need to take a close look before they run too many of these folks off for good.
Gary
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