S5R2

Jord
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Please read this complete

Message 62201 in response to message 62200

Please read this complete thread...

As Dr. Bruce Allen has said here:

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Our goal is run times in the range from 6 to 24 hours. Note that some optimization is expected in the future so the apps will get faster.

Cheers,
Bruce


So is it normal and OK? Yep, for now it is.

Brian Silvers
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RE: No one is forcing you

Message 62202 in response to message 62199

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No one is forcing you to run S5R2.

Correct. I went to no new work just prior to it because I had a feeling that something like this was going to happen.

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Then again, there are no S5R1 and S5RI results anymore, but for a couple of resents, so what do you want? To have the big group of Einstein's volunteer crunchers to wait around for that other smaller group of volunteer crunchers to Beta test S5R2? ;-)

In my opinion, yes. Alternatively the project could do something like what SETI Classic did and simply reissue some of the S5RI work. S5R2 has what was being defined as "brand new coding" (paraphrase). Just that simple statement in and of itself should've called for an open beta. They have done so in the past for other releases.

S5R2 is a beta product. The project team apparently made the decision to go anyway, apparently based on something that I sense that you're echoing; that "some work being done is better than having a couple of weeks with no work".

Jord, seriously, look around. There are immediate crashes. A project developer has plainly stated that things look bad right now. Prior to release another project developer stated that they were taking care of "showstoppers" in the 3-5 day window before the app was sent out to the public. S5R2 is beta. If you would like to explain how I am incorrect, then feel free to do so, but please, don't just try to use the "no one is forcing you" line again.

Thanks,

Brian

DanNeely
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RE: RE: RE: After

Message 62203 in response to message 62200

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After sometime I terminated the first unit with S5R2.
I need a long time, about 12 hours (51.900 sec). So I needed about 5,4 times
more than normal. So I am a little bit disapointed that I get only 113 points.
The double of the normal units.

I've just started my first S5R2 WU. It's behaving like Rosetta, i.e. the "time remaining" increments along with the CPU time. Is this to be expected. The estimated time for the WU was around 12 hours. It's done 3.33 hours (16%) but the "to completion" time is showing 11:17:43...all OK? I think not!!

On all 3 of my systems the DCF has gone up between s5r1 and s5r2. That is to say that at the transition point your ETA for completing a WU is too low. Boinc appears to be adjusting this value during the running of a single WU and is adjusting the ETAs as a result. MY PCs have all stabilized around the new correct value after a half dozenish WUs.

rbpeake
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RE: RE: No one is

Message 62204 in response to message 62202

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No one is forcing you to run S5R2.

Correct. I went to no new work just prior to it because I had a feeling that something like this was going to happen.

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Then again, there are no S5R1 and S5RI results anymore, but for a couple of resents, so what do you want? To have the big group of Einstein's volunteer crunchers to wait around for that other smaller group of volunteer crunchers to Beta test S5R2? ;-)

In my opinion, yes. Alternatively the project could do something like what SETI Classic did and simply reissue some of the S5RI work. S5R2 has what was being defined as "brand new coding" (paraphrase). Just that simple statement in and of itself should've called for an open beta. They have done so in the past for other releases.

S5R2 is a beta product. The project team apparently made the decision to go anyway, apparently based on something that I sense that you're echoing; that "some work being done is better than having a couple of weeks with no work".

Jord, seriously, look around. There are immediate crashes. A project developer has plainly stated that things look bad right now. Prior to release another project developer stated that they were taking care of "showstoppers" in the 3-5 day window before the app was sent out to the public. S5R2 is beta. If you would like to explain how I am incorrect, then feel free to do so, but please, don't just try to use the "no one is forcing you" line again.

Thanks,

Brian

This whole turnover seemed kind of last minute to me, which is interesting because the estimated time that S5R1 was to be completed was known months in advance. We sort of assume I guess that a big project like this perhaps has its own internal bureaucracies and everything takes longer as opposed to a smaller project team.

At any rate, perhaps they alternatively could have said something like "the whole project is going to Beta for the next few weeks, we are looking for........ If you do not wish to participate, please come back an see us in a few weeks!"

That would at least have given people a "heads up" to know what to expect.

At any rate, just my 2 cents.

AnRM
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RE: RE: No one is forcing

Message 62205 in response to message 62199

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No one is forcing you to run S5R2..... ;-)


Jord is right...no one is forcing anyone to process S5R2. Our AMD machines will crunch elsewhere until all this is resolved...CU later(hopefully)....Cheers, Rog.

Richard Haselgrove
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RE: At any rate, perhaps

Message 62206 in response to message 62204

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At any rate, perhaps they alternatively could have said something like "the whole project is going to Beta for the next few weeks, we are looking for........ If you do not wish to participate, please come back an see us in a few weeks!"

That would at least have given people a "heads up" to know what to expect.

At any rate, just my 2 cents.


As in:

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We therefore will set up S5R2 as a short, experimental run that limits the search to parts of the parameter space where the overhead is well under control. During this short run we will improve the Application in various aspects. The results will also help us tuning the parameters for the next, larger run (probably named S5R3).


-from the OP at the start of this very thread. Sounds like a pretty good "heads up" to me.

Akos Fekete
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Einstein@Home has a beta test

Einstein@Home has a beta test page from the beginning of the project.
As far as i know it's open for everybody. S5R2 code was tested on it.

Brian Silvers
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RE: -from the OP at the

Message 62208 in response to message 62206

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-from the OP at the start of this very thread. Sounds like a pretty good "heads up" to me.

Were S5R2 units then sent out only to those individuals who read that post?

Are fora read by all users?

Brian Silvers
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RE: Einstein@Home has a

Message 62209 in response to message 62207

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Einstein@Home has a beta test page from the beginning of the project.
As far as i know it's open for everybody. S5R2 code was tested on it.

I never once saw it listed Akos... If you are correct, I will revise my strong opinion, but I can say that I personally never saw it...

Jord
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RE: S5R2 is a beta product.

Message 62210 in response to message 62202

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S5R2 is a beta product. The project team apparently made the decision to go anyway, apparently based on something that I sense that you're echoing; that "some work being done is better than having a couple of weeks with no work".


I haven't seen S5R2 being in test, to be honest, so yes, your anaolgy could be correct. Then again, the same thing happened for S5RI ... :-)

And the credit thing is explained: EAH was asking too much.
Since credits are now set server side, it doesn't matter much. Can you even compare it to S5R1 (and RI)?

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