Deutsch war ein Angebot an Dich, nicht eine Verpflichtung. Feel free to write English or German.
If you run two boinc clients, one for Seti and the other for Einstein@Home it becomes clear that they don't know of the resource share. However you don't need to run them this way. I'd suggest to o the following:
- Let Seti run until the current Result has been finished.
- Stop the client by typing ctrl-c in the terminal window
- Start it again with the option "-update_prefs" followed by the Seti URL, e.g.
./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -update_prefs http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
to report the finished results. Stop the client again.
- cd to the Einstein directory and start the client with the option -attach_project
./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -attach_project
It will prompt you for an URL and a key. Enter your Seti account here.
You will get a client that you only need to start once and that properly honors the resource share settings.
(this will also work the other way 'round, attaching Einstein to the client currently ruunning Seti, but Seti WUs are faster)
> Martin,
>
> Deutsch war ein Angebot an Dich, nicht eine Verpflichtung. Feel free to write
> English or German.
>
> If you run two boinc clients, one for Seti and the other for Einstein@Home it
> becomes clear that they don't know of the resource share. However you don't
> need to run them this way. I'd suggest to o the following:
>
> - Let Seti run until the current Result has been finished.
> - Stop the client by typing ctrl-c in the terminal window
> - Start it again with the option "-update_prefs" followed by the Seti URL,
> e.g.
> ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -update_prefs
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> to report the finished results. Stop the client again.
> - cd to the Einstein directory and start the client with the option
> -attach_project
> ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -attach_project
> It will prompt you for an URL and a key. Enter your Seti account here.
>
> You will get a client that you only need to start once and that properly
> honors the resource share settings.
>
> (this will also work the other way 'round, attaching Einstein to the client
> currently ruunning Seti, but Seti WUs are faster)
>
> BM
>
Bernd,
thanks for the instructions! Just for confirmation: Run E@H with my SETI@Home account-ID? What happens to my E@H ID then? Will it recognize my previous credits/results? In Windows I did enter the different IDs when I attached to the different projects and it works perfectly.
Thanks again for your patience!
> thanks for the instructions! Just for confirmation: Run E@H with my SETI@Home
> account-ID? What happens to my E@H ID then? Will it recognize my previous
> credits/results? In Windows I did enter the different IDs when I attached to
> the different projects and it works perfectly.
It will work exactly like the windows client, the interface is different, but the functionality isn't. You will attach the same client to two projects.
> Thanks again for your patience!
Actually I'm also suffering from the inconveniant and user-unfriendly way the Mac client works right now. I'm one of the people who are trying to make this better behind the scenes, but it will still need some work.
> > Martin,
> >
> > Deutsch war ein Angebot an Dich, nicht eine Verpflichtung. Feel free to
> write
> > English or German.
> >
> > If you run two boinc clients, one for Seti and the other for
> Einstein@Home it
> > becomes clear that they don't know of the resource share. However you
> don't
> > need to run them this way. I'd suggest to o the following:
> >
> > - Let Seti run until the current Result has been finished.
> > - Stop the client by typing ctrl-c in the terminal window
> > - Start it again with the option "-update_prefs" followed by the Seti
> URL,
> > e.g.
> > ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -update_prefs
> > http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> > to report the finished results. Stop the client again.
> > - cd to the Einstein directory and start the client with the option
> > -attach_project
> > ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -attach_project
> > It will prompt you for an URL and a key. Enter your Seti account here.
> >
> > You will get a client that you only need to start once and that properly
> > honors the resource share settings.
> >
> > (this will also work the other way 'round, attaching Einstein to the
> client
> > currently ruunning Seti, but Seti WUs are faster)
> >
> > BM
> >
>
>
> Bernd,
>
> thanks for the instructions! Just for confirmation: Run E@H with my SETI@Home
> account-ID? What happens to my E@H ID then? Will it recognize my previous
> credits/results? In Windows I did enter the different IDs when I attached to
> the different projects and it works perfectly.
> Thanks again for your patience!
>
>
No, do not try to attach to both projects with the same ID. Attach both projects with their own IDs to the same INSTALL of BOINC. This is the way it was designed to work.
> No, do not try to attach to both projects with the same ID. Attach both
> projects with their own IDs to the same INSTALL of BOINC. This is the way it
> was designed to work.
>
> A GUI for Apple is comming.
>
Hi John,
thanks for the feedback! Obviously I am too stupid for this. How can I attach to two projects with one client?
I have 2 folders. One is called SETI BOINC and the other one is called E@H. Both contain the necessary files for their project including a copy of boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin. This seems to be necessary since boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin always creates it's files (such as client_state.xml, projects, account_einstein.phys.uwm.edu.xml and all the rest) in the directory from which it was launched. Since there are several files with identical file names and others with different names there would be major confusion if I attached to 2 projects using only one directory/client. And if it was possible, how could I determine the progress of each project? Now I have to manually open the client_state.xml, scroll to the very bottom and look for "0.421306". If both or more projects shared one client_state file, how could I find out about the progress?
You told that you have attached a windows client to two projects. Does it get confused with the files? Trust me, and simply follow the instructions.
In the FAQ there is listed a thread with some descriptions how to follow the percentage done of command line clients. When attached to two projects, the client_state.xml will have two fraction_done lines, one for each project.
I've never used it myself, but I'm sure that people here can advise you how to install DeepThought without using your work. It is a GUI for the boinc client for the Mac and should make things as easy for you as you know from Windows.
> Hi John,
>
> thanks for the feedback! Obviously I am too stupid for this. How can I attach
> to two projects with one client?
> I have 2 folders. One is called SETI BOINC and the other one is called E@H.
> Both contain the necessary files for their project including a copy of
> boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin. This seems to be necessary since
> boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin always creates it's files (such as
> client_state.xml, projects, account_einstein.phys.uwm.edu.xml and all the
> rest) in the directory from which it was launched. Since there are several
> files with identical file names and others with different names there would be
> major confusion if I attached to 2 projects using only one directory/client.
> And if it was possible, how could I determine the progress of each project?
> Now I have to manually open the client_state.xml, scroll to the very bottom
> and look for "0.421306". If both or more projects shared one client_state
> file, how could I find out about the progress?
>
> How wrong am I?
>
You should have one BOINC directory that includes BOINC*.exe (the exact names of the files depend on the version as they changed at 4.20) as well as several other files. Under that you should have a projects directory. In the projects directory, you should have one directory per project the name of these should include the URL that you are attached to for that project. If this is not the case, you have a bit of a problem.
If you have two boinc directories, you should consolidate them. The simple way of doing this is to attach one project to the other copy of BOINC, and delete the directory that is no longer used. The most reliable way of doing this is to copy the account_*.xml file from the directory that you are going to discard. This method will lose any work in the directory that you are deleting. The more complex method involves moving more files and doing surgery on some XML files. If you are willing, we can try to work our way through this, but it is not for the faint of heart.
> >
> You should have one BOINC directory that includes BOINC*.exe (the exact names
> of the files depend on the version as they changed at 4.20) as well as several
> other files. Under that you should have a projects directory. In the
> projects directory, you should have one directory per project the name of
> these should include the URL that you are attached to for that project. If
> this is not the case, you have a bit of a problem.
>
> If you have two boinc directories, you should consolidate them. The simple
> way of doing this is to attach one project to the other copy of BOINC, and
> delete the directory that is no longer used. The most reliable way of doing
> this is to copy the account_*.xml file from the directory that you are going
> to discard. This method will lose any work in the directory that you are
> deleting. The more complex method involves moving more files and doing
> surgery on some XML files. If you are willing, we can try to work our way
> through this, but it is not for the faint of heart.
>
Hi John,
thanks for the answer. I will stay with the situation as it is. They abviously changed something anyway. Today I had to reset the project on my PowerMac 2x1GHz machine because several WUs expired. It needs approximately 68,000 seconds/WU and runs appr. 12 hours a day. Nevertheless it requested "2005-03-06 16:49:24 [Einstein@Home] Requesting 554501 seconds of work"! Luckily after the client downloaded 2 WUs it received this message: "2005-03-06 17:54:43 [Einstein@Home] Message from server: No work sent (daily quota of 2 WU reached)". Last week the daily quota was 8 WUs/day. This was a very usefull change.
>
> Hi John,
>
> thanks for the answer. I will stay with the situation as it is. They abviously
> changed something anyway. Today I had to reset the project on my PowerMac
> 2x1GHz machine because several WUs expired. It needs approximately 68,000
> seconds/WU and runs appr. 12 hours a day. Nevertheless it requested
> "2005-03-06 16:49:24 [Einstein@Home] Requesting 554501 seconds of
> work"! Luckily after the client downloaded 2 WUs it received this message:
> "2005-03-06 17:54:43 [Einstein@Home] Message from server: No work sent
> (daily quota of 2 WU reached)". Last week the daily quota was 8 WUs/day.
> This was a very usefull change.
>
That means that you have trashed a few results somehow. Your max will go up and down based on how many results you return correctly, and how many your machine errors out.
Martin, Deutsch war ein
)
Martin,
Deutsch war ein Angebot an Dich, nicht eine Verpflichtung. Feel free to write English or German.
If you run two boinc clients, one for Seti and the other for Einstein@Home it becomes clear that they don't know of the resource share. However you don't need to run them this way. I'd suggest to o the following:
- Let Seti run until the current Result has been finished.
- Stop the client by typing ctrl-c in the terminal window
- Start it again with the option "-update_prefs" followed by the Seti URL, e.g.
./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -update_prefs http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
to report the finished results. Stop the client again.
- cd to the Einstein directory and start the client with the option -attach_project
./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -attach_project
It will prompt you for an URL and a key. Enter your Seti account here.
You will get a client that you only need to start once and that properly honors the resource share settings.
(this will also work the other way 'round, attaching Einstein to the client currently ruunning Seti, but Seti WUs are faster)
BM
BM
> Martin, > > Deutsch war
)
> Martin,
>
> Deutsch war ein Angebot an Dich, nicht eine Verpflichtung. Feel free to write
> English or German.
>
> If you run two boinc clients, one for Seti and the other for Einstein@Home it
> becomes clear that they don't know of the resource share. However you don't
> need to run them this way. I'd suggest to o the following:
>
> - Let Seti run until the current Result has been finished.
> - Stop the client by typing ctrl-c in the terminal window
> - Start it again with the option "-update_prefs" followed by the Seti URL,
> e.g.
> ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -update_prefs
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> to report the finished results. Stop the client again.
> - cd to the Einstein directory and start the client with the option
> -attach_project
> ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -attach_project
> It will prompt you for an URL and a key. Enter your Seti account here.
>
> You will get a client that you only need to start once and that properly
> honors the resource share settings.
>
> (this will also work the other way 'round, attaching Einstein to the client
> currently ruunning Seti, but Seti WUs are faster)
>
> BM
>
Bernd,
thanks for the instructions! Just for confirmation: Run E@H with my SETI@Home account-ID? What happens to my E@H ID then? Will it recognize my previous credits/results? In Windows I did enter the different IDs when I attached to the different projects and it works perfectly.
Thanks again for your patience!
> thanks for the
)
> thanks for the instructions! Just for confirmation: Run E@H with my SETI@Home
> account-ID? What happens to my E@H ID then? Will it recognize my previous
> credits/results? In Windows I did enter the different IDs when I attached to
> the different projects and it works perfectly.
It will work exactly like the windows client, the interface is different, but the functionality isn't. You will attach the same client to two projects.
> Thanks again for your patience!
Actually I'm also suffering from the inconveniant and user-unfriendly way the Mac client works right now. I'm one of the people who are trying to make this better behind the scenes, but it will still need some work.
Thanks for your patience!
BM
BM
> > Martin, > > > > Deutsch
)
> > Martin,
> >
> > Deutsch war ein Angebot an Dich, nicht eine Verpflichtung. Feel free to
> write
> > English or German.
> >
> > If you run two boinc clients, one for Seti and the other for
> Einstein@Home it
> > becomes clear that they don't know of the resource share. However you
> don't
> > need to run them this way. I'd suggest to o the following:
> >
> > - Let Seti run until the current Result has been finished.
> > - Stop the client by typing ctrl-c in the terminal window
> > - Start it again with the option "-update_prefs" followed by the Seti
> URL,
> > e.g.
> > ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -update_prefs
> > http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> > to report the finished results. Stop the client again.
> > - cd to the Einstein directory and start the client with the option
> > -attach_project
> > ./boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin -attach_project
> > It will prompt you for an URL and a key. Enter your Seti account here.
> >
> > You will get a client that you only need to start once and that properly
> > honors the resource share settings.
> >
> > (this will also work the other way 'round, attaching Einstein to the
> client
> > currently ruunning Seti, but Seti WUs are faster)
> >
> > BM
> >
>
>
> Bernd,
>
> thanks for the instructions! Just for confirmation: Run E@H with my SETI@Home
> account-ID? What happens to my E@H ID then? Will it recognize my previous
> credits/results? In Windows I did enter the different IDs when I attached to
> the different projects and it works perfectly.
> Thanks again for your patience!
>
>
No, do not try to attach to both projects with the same ID. Attach both projects with their own IDs to the same INSTALL of BOINC. This is the way it was designed to work.
A GUI for Apple is comming.
BOINC WIKI
> No, do not try to attach to
)
> No, do not try to attach to both projects with the same ID. Attach both
> projects with their own IDs to the same INSTALL of BOINC. This is the way it
> was designed to work.
>
> A GUI for Apple is comming.
>
Hi John,
thanks for the feedback! Obviously I am too stupid for this. How can I attach to two projects with one client?
I have 2 folders. One is called SETI BOINC and the other one is called E@H. Both contain the necessary files for their project including a copy of boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin. This seems to be necessary since boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin always creates it's files (such as client_state.xml, projects, account_einstein.phys.uwm.edu.xml and all the rest) in the directory from which it was launched. Since there are several files with identical file names and others with different names there would be major confusion if I attached to 2 projects using only one directory/client. And if it was possible, how could I determine the progress of each project? Now I have to manually open the client_state.xml, scroll to the very bottom and look for "0.421306". If both or more projects shared one client_state file, how could I find out about the progress?
How wrong am I?
You told that you have
)
You told that you have attached a windows client to two projects. Does it get confused with the files? Trust me, and simply follow the instructions.
In the FAQ there is listed a thread with some descriptions how to follow the percentage done of command line clients. When attached to two projects, the client_state.xml will have two fraction_done lines, one for each project.
I've never used it myself, but I'm sure that people here can advise you how to install DeepThought without using your work. It is a GUI for the boinc client for the Mac and should make things as easy for you as you know from Windows.
BM
BM
> Hi John, > > thanks for
)
> Hi John,
>
> thanks for the feedback! Obviously I am too stupid for this. How can I attach
> to two projects with one client?
> I have 2 folders. One is called SETI BOINC and the other one is called E@H.
> Both contain the necessary files for their project including a copy of
> boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin. This seems to be necessary since
> boinc_4.19_powerpc-apple-darwin always creates it's files (such as
> client_state.xml, projects, account_einstein.phys.uwm.edu.xml and all the
> rest) in the directory from which it was launched. Since there are several
> files with identical file names and others with different names there would be
> major confusion if I attached to 2 projects using only one directory/client.
> And if it was possible, how could I determine the progress of each project?
> Now I have to manually open the client_state.xml, scroll to the very bottom
> and look for "0.421306". If both or more projects shared one client_state
> file, how could I find out about the progress?
>
> How wrong am I?
>
You should have one BOINC directory that includes BOINC*.exe (the exact names of the files depend on the version as they changed at 4.20) as well as several other files. Under that you should have a projects directory. In the projects directory, you should have one directory per project the name of these should include the URL that you are attached to for that project. If this is not the case, you have a bit of a problem.
If you have two boinc directories, you should consolidate them. The simple way of doing this is to attach one project to the other copy of BOINC, and delete the directory that is no longer used. The most reliable way of doing this is to copy the account_*.xml file from the directory that you are going to discard. This method will lose any work in the directory that you are deleting. The more complex method involves moving more files and doing surgery on some XML files. If you are willing, we can try to work our way through this, but it is not for the faint of heart.
BOINC WIKI
> > > You should have one
)
> >
> You should have one BOINC directory that includes BOINC*.exe (the exact names
> of the files depend on the version as they changed at 4.20) as well as several
> other files. Under that you should have a projects directory. In the
> projects directory, you should have one directory per project the name of
> these should include the URL that you are attached to for that project. If
> this is not the case, you have a bit of a problem.
>
> If you have two boinc directories, you should consolidate them. The simple
> way of doing this is to attach one project to the other copy of BOINC, and
> delete the directory that is no longer used. The most reliable way of doing
> this is to copy the account_*.xml file from the directory that you are going
> to discard. This method will lose any work in the directory that you are
> deleting. The more complex method involves moving more files and doing
> surgery on some XML files. If you are willing, we can try to work our way
> through this, but it is not for the faint of heart.
>
Hi John,
thanks for the answer. I will stay with the situation as it is. They abviously changed something anyway. Today I had to reset the project on my PowerMac 2x1GHz machine because several WUs expired. It needs approximately 68,000 seconds/WU and runs appr. 12 hours a day. Nevertheless it requested "2005-03-06 16:49:24 [Einstein@Home] Requesting 554501 seconds of work"! Luckily after the client downloaded 2 WUs it received this message: "2005-03-06 17:54:43 [Einstein@Home] Message from server: No work sent (daily quota of 2 WU reached)". Last week the daily quota was 8 WUs/day. This was a very usefull change.
> > Hi John, > > thanks for
)
>
> Hi John,
>
> thanks for the answer. I will stay with the situation as it is. They abviously
> changed something anyway. Today I had to reset the project on my PowerMac
> 2x1GHz machine because several WUs expired. It needs approximately 68,000
> seconds/WU and runs appr. 12 hours a day. Nevertheless it requested
> "2005-03-06 16:49:24 [Einstein@Home] Requesting 554501 seconds of
> work"! Luckily after the client downloaded 2 WUs it received this message:
> "2005-03-06 17:54:43 [Einstein@Home] Message from server: No work sent
> (daily quota of 2 WU reached)". Last week the daily quota was 8 WUs/day.
> This was a very usefull change.
>
That means that you have trashed a few results somehow. Your max will go up and down based on how many results you return correctly, and how many your machine errors out.
BOINC WIKI