age 69 is not being "old" -- it is being "wise" and experienced ...
cheers
So I've been told many times... I'm experienced alright, I'm just waiting for the 'wise' to show up. ;*)
I have found that "being wise" is very spotty. Sometimes I can manage it. Other times I am slapping my Forehead. But "been there, done that" does decrease my stupid decisions (usually).
From a hobby point of view I think limiting myself to gpus plugged directly into the MB has been the "wisest" thing I have managed. Besides not participating at all ;)
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
I am no longer at home but in a rest home for old people out of a hospital. I am 88.At home I had two desktops and two laptops of various ages and CPUs, plus Nvidia boards. I have bought a Microsoft Surface 5 laptop and I am surprised by its performance, It can run 11 CPU and one GPU task on an Intel i5-1235U at once on Windows 11. Of course the Intel GPU is inferior to the Nvidia boards I had, but runs Einstein@home GPU tasks. I am running both BOINC tasks and Science United, which I have rejoined not being able to remember all my BOINC passwords, I am crunching 7 projects, like SiDock@home, Denis@home, NumberFields@home, WorldCommunitGrid running MappingCancerMarkers@home, universe@home, LHC@home. Of course they alternate but all run well, no errors.
Tullio
age 69 is not being "old" -- it is being "wise" and experienced ...
cheers
So I've been told many times... I'm experienced alright, I'm just waiting for the 'wise' to show up. ;*)
I have found that "being wise" is very spotty. Sometimes I can manage it. Other times I am slapping my Forehead. But "been there, done that" does decrease my stupid decisions (usually).
From a hobby point of view I think limiting myself to gpus plugged directly into the MB has been the "wisest" thing I have managed. Besides not participating at all ;)
Tom M
hmmmm, howabout = "more experience makes one more wiser"?
but usually collecting more experience is sometimes not very wise at all ...
With what I've been hearing about Windows 11, and it has been both good and bad, I'm glad I made the switch to Linux. Currently, I'm on Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, GNOME Version 42.5, and upgraded to Kernel 6.1.4. I will admit that I had some goofups with upgrading the Kernel, but Keith was (sortof) patient with me and I finally got it.
What non-windows OS would be best for these two builds? I could be wrong, but don't certain Linux/Ubuntu OS work better with Intel CPUs and then other versions work better with AMD CPUs? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Learning these new operating systems is new to me and a majority of the students, but we are all willing to learn something new (and do lots of science).
Thanks!
I neglected to mention in my experience, and many others also, I am not aware of Linux Ubuntu OS working any better or worse on Intel vs AMD CPUs. If anyone else has had experience with Intel or AMD working better or worse with different OS, I would also like to know. Even so, that should not be a major concern for you.
And don't do anything with Apple - their OS is for the 'elite' crowd of painters and graphics artists, not for specific science tasks like BOINC. You might be able to make it work out, but you'd be spending more for getting less than you desired.
When you get the 2nd one up and running, how about a picture ( or three ) of what the students put together?
.....[EDIT].....
There are several websites that are good reference for doing most anything with Linux, Ubuntu in particular.
I neglected to mention in my experience, and many others also, I am not aware of Linux Ubuntu OS working any better or worse on Intel vs AMD CPUs.
I vaguely remember a patch in Linux that effected AMD Cpus over Intel. But it was a very specific patch for a very specific condition that a system that was crunching 24/7 would have been unlikely to have used.
I do know for Universe at Home the processing speeds for Cpus under Linux 18.x or newer are far faster than the same processing speeds under Windows. The first Windows system I see is in 99th place running about 158,000 RAC.
I have been told that the optimization techniques that petri uses on NVIDIA gpus under Linux will not work directly under Windows. The drivers are apparently that different.
In same make/model GPU to GPU comparisons under Linux vs. Windows usually Linux apps/tasks take less time to process than the same projects Windows tasks. On the apps as created by the projects.
I am less certain about Avx? vs Avx CPU processing across the Windows / Linux divide. And I am uncertain about which projects use Avx coding.
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
The only project I crunch for that I know specifically has compiled apps for AVX is TN-Grid. They have 3 different compiled versions of the cpu app. SSE2, AVX and FMA. On my AMD processors, they all converged on the FMA app as fastest.
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
San-Fernando-Valley
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So I've been told many times... I'm experienced alright, I'm just waiting for the 'wise' to show up. ;*)
Proud member of the Old Farts Association
GWGeorge007
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I have found that "being wise" is very spotty. Sometimes I can manage it. Other times I am slapping my Forehead. But "been there, done that" does decrease my stupid decisions (usually).
From a hobby point of view I think limiting myself to gpus plugged directly into the MB has been the "wisest" thing I have managed. Besides not participating at all ;)
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
I am no longer at home but in
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I am no longer at home but in a rest home for old people out of a hospital. I am 88.At home I had two desktops and two laptops of various ages and CPUs, plus Nvidia boards. I have bought a Microsoft Surface 5 laptop and I am surprised by its performance, It can run 11 CPU and one GPU task on an Intel i5-1235U at once on Windows 11. Of course the Intel GPU is inferior to the Nvidia boards I had, but runs Einstein@home GPU tasks. I am running both BOINC tasks and Science United, which I have rejoined not being able to remember all my BOINC passwords, I am crunching 7 projects, like SiDock@home, Denis@home, NumberFields@home, WorldCommunitGrid running MappingCancerMarkers@home, universe@home, LHC@home. Of course they alternate but all run well, no errors.
Tullio
Tom M wrote: GWGeorge007
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hmmmm, howabout = "more experience makes one more wiser"?
but usually collecting more experience is sometimes not very wise at all ...
Well, I'll get back to crunching ...
cheers
Boca Raton Community HS
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I neglected to mention in my experience, and many others also, I am not aware of Linux Ubuntu OS working any better or worse on Intel vs AMD CPUs. If anyone else has had experience with Intel or AMD working better or worse with different OS, I would also like to know. Even so, that should not be a major concern for you.
And don't do anything with Apple - their OS is for the 'elite' crowd of painters and graphics artists, not for specific science tasks like BOINC. You might be able to make it work out, but you'd be spending more for getting less than you desired.
When you get the 2nd one up and running, how about a picture ( or three ) of what the students put together?
.....[EDIT].....
There are several websites that are good reference for doing most anything with Linux, Ubuntu in particular.
https://www.linux.org/forums/linux-intermediate-tutorials.124/
https://askubuntu.com/
https://itsfoss.com/
https://www.phoronix.com/ ( Keith's favorite website, he reads it at least daily )
https://github.com/ ( this is more technical, but Keith usually refers me to this when I have specific questions )
...and there are plenty more...
Proud member of the Old Farts Association
GWGeorge007 wrote: I
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I vaguely remember a patch in Linux that effected AMD Cpus over Intel. But it was a very specific patch for a very specific condition that a system that was crunching 24/7 would have been unlikely to have used.
I do know for Universe at Home the processing speeds for Cpus under Linux 18.x or newer are far faster than the same processing speeds under Windows. The first Windows system I see is in 99th place running about 158,000 RAC.
I have been told that the optimization techniques that petri uses on NVIDIA gpus under Linux will not work directly under Windows. The drivers are apparently that different.
In same make/model GPU to GPU comparisons under Linux vs. Windows usually Linux apps/tasks take less time to process than the same projects Windows tasks. On the apps as created by the projects.
I am less certain about Avx? vs Avx CPU processing across the Windows / Linux divide. And I am uncertain about which projects use Avx coding.
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
The only project I crunch for
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The only project I crunch for that I know specifically has compiled apps for AVX is TN-Grid. They have 3 different compiled versions of the cpu app. SSE2, AVX and FMA. On my AMD processors, they all converged on the FMA app as fastest.
FMA - farmers mutual
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FMA - farmers mutual assurance?
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Tom M wrote: FMA - farmers
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Ha ha hah, LOL.
No actually Floating-Multiply-Add, one of the advanced SIMD instructions. A little bit faster than AVX or AVX2.
Keith Myers
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Fused Multiply-Add
fused meaning the multiply and add operations are done in a single step.
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