I do not know mean of Einstein@home's project.

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We are running Einstein@home deta on the BOINC Manager.
I heard this is the project which searching gravitational wave from parser and black hole.
Do we should searching gravitational wave from universe?
And why are we searching gravitational wave from universe?

Please tell me.

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I do not know mean of Einstein@home's project.

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We are running Einstein@home deta on the BOINC Manager.
I heard this is the project which searching gravitational wave from parser and black hole.
Do we should searching gravitational wave from universe?
And why are we searching gravitational wave from universe?

Please tell me.

---------------------by Relativity


It is a new astronomy, looking not for electromagnetic waves but for a kind of waves predicted by Einstein's general relativity.
Tullio

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RE: It is a new astronomy,

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It is a new astronomy, looking not for electromagnetic waves but for a kind of waves predicted by Einstein's general relativity.
Tullio


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I do not know what you mean.
Is that a new astronomy such a important?
Is that a new astronomy which will change our view of universe?
Please, please tell me.

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RE: RE: It is a new

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It is a new astronomy, looking not for electromagnetic waves but for a kind of waves predicted by Einstein's general relativity.
Tullio

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I do not know what you mean.
Is that a new astronomy such a important?
Is that a new astronomy which will change our view of universe?
Please, please tell me.

---------------------by Relativity


Every mew observational technique has changed our view of the Universo. Think of radioastronomy (pulsars!), X-ray astronomy from satellites, Infrared astronomy. etc. Shakespeare knew this when he wrote "there are more things between heaven and earth than those conceived by your philosophy". I am quoting from memory, but the meaning is precise. Think of "dark energy" amd "dark matter" which may represent the greatest part of our Universe. What we see is just a minor part.

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I suggest that you look at

I suggest that you look at the first results from the S3 analysis. This explains what we are doing with your computer! You can find this on the front page of Einstein@Home.

Director, Einstein@Home

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RE: I suggest that you look

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I suggest that you look at the first results from the S3 analysis. This explains what we are doing with your computer! You can find this on the front page of Einstein@Home.


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Ok, I see.
I will try read first results from the S3 analysis.
But it is explains looking very difficult.

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RE: RE: I suggest that

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I suggest that you look at the first results from the S3 analysis. This explains what we are doing with your computer! You can find this on the front page of Einstein@Home.

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Ok, I see.
I will try read first results from the S3 analysis.
But it is explains looking very difficult.

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Not for someone who signs as "Relativity"!
Tullio

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RE: RE: It is a new

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It is a new astronomy, looking not for electromagnetic waves but for a kind of waves predicted by Einstein's general relativity.
Tullio

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I do not know what you mean.
Is that a new astronomy such a important?
Is that a new astronomy which will change our view of universe?
Please, please tell me.

---------------------by Relativity

Basic research is like a baby. You never know how important it will grow up to be.

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I am reading Einstein@home S3

I am reading Einstein@home S3 Analysis Summary a little.
I will try read all S3 tpics.
I think that gravity wave has many possibility.

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My interest in supporting

My interest in supporting this project comes from two different reasons.

First, as has been said already, every new window we open to the universe has taught us more. Early man had only his own eyes, then Gallileo added the telescope and we could actually see objects going round other objects for the first time.

Much later, radio was invented and when people had got bored listening to news and music, someone decided to point an antenna at the sky - and noticed we can see some stars and some galaxies by radio waves; and we can see some things that we can't see using only optical telescopes. The pulsar was first discovered by radio, and only later discovered using visible light - just one example.

I think it is amusing that we are now also looking for pulsars to be the very first object we hope to 'see' in the new astronomy. There is also a weak link to SETI here - when pulsars were first spotted one idea was that this kind of repetitive signal was from aliens! It was a while before anyone figured out a natural cause for them. Now we use distributed computing techniques developped for the deliberate search for aliens, but to find pulsars in a new kind of 'telescope'. Well it amuses me anyway...

X-ray, gamma-ray have added to our understanding as well. All of these have one thing in common - they are all electromagnetic.

Gravity wave astronomy, if GW exist at all, will teach us more because it is a bigger step than the change from naked eye to telescope. We don't know what it will teach, and that not-knowing is part of the fun.

Second, GW are predicted by Einstein's theory of General Relativity. There are four possibilities.

1. Maybe someone will find GW and they will fit the theory - in which case measurements about the exact size of the waves will help us to fill in some of the missing numbers in the theory.

2. Maybe someone will find GW and the numbers won't fit. Even more interesting - the theory will have to be changed or a new theory started.

3. Maybe someone will not find GW, but they can't rule out that they could be found with more sensitive apparatus. This is the only boring outcome.

4. Maybe the apparatus is so good that when no GW are found we can say Einstein must be wrong in this detail - we are sure that our experiment can find the smallest possible GW that could exist in Einstein's theory.

At present we might get result 1, 2, or 3. Result 1 and 2 are immediate winners, at least if you are interested in knowing more about a theory that has been accepted for nearly a century.

Result 3 means that the scientists will rush off (stopping only to fill in the grant apps) to make the detectors better. Eventually with the same method Bruce and friends are using, we will be sure to get result 1, 2, or 4. Will we be at s6 then? Or s17? or s99? Will it be an improved LIGO at the same site, or the European observatory, or one that is not yet built? I don't know, that is partly a choice of the taxpayers of the different countries.

Maybe you think I joke about the grant apps? I don't. The funding agency will not pay for a super-duper detector while there is the possibility that a plain old detector will do the job. Quite right too -- some nation's taxpayers foot the bill for that. So result 3 is important, but for political reasons not so much for the immediate science.

What I do know, is that for as long as the scientists can get the money to build and run the detectors, they will be asking for our help. Our help means they don't have to ask for so much money for the computing power which must give them an advantage when asking for more money.

To summarize:

Outcome 1 & 2 means the work then goes on to become GW astronomy. Outcome 3 is only an interim outcome and means more of the same but better (at least if the taxpayer agrees). Outcome 4 means the line of experiments comes to a logical end, but still having made a huge leap forward in our understanding of Einstein's theories.

I hope that helps.

River~~

~~gravywavy

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RE: Early man had only his

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Early man had only his own eyes, then Gallileo added the telescope and we could actually see objects going round other objects for the first time.

"In Venice on a holiday in 1609, Galileo Galilei heard rumors that a Dutch spectacle-maker had invented a device that made distant objects seem near at hand (at first called the spyglass and later renamed the telescope). A patent had been requested, but not yet granted, and the methods were being kept secret, since it was obviously of tremendous military value for Holland. ..."

^^

Greetings, Santas little helper

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