Because then he can sell the same options multiple times, it's called 'continued revenue' and if people let him it may just spread to other manufacturers as well. To me the key is simple NEVER buy a used Tesla unless you are very happy with it being the basic model and not one loaded with options.
Selling the same thing multiple times most definitely is a crime. It's like me selling you a TV, stealing it from your house, then selling it to your neighbour. That was your TV.
I doubt I'd ever buy an overpriced Tesla anyway, they're crazy prices like Apple.
Tesla makes good cars, some of the fit and finish sucks but most people don't look that closely anyway and it HAS gotten better over the years. And buying a used Tesla from Tesla is often cheaper than buying one from a person, Tesla just wants to sell the car while the private person wants to get as much money out of it as they can. I actually looked at it awhile back when the basic car was selling for around $30k and the used ones were selling for almost half that!! I haven't looked in awhile though.
Found a "pristine" used Asus x570 with 3 full slots.
I the MB is layout out "right" I am hoping to get two pcie gen 4 GPUs directly in the MB and 3rd on a ribbon cable.
What I am pondering is 3 long slots is the cut off for any reasonably priced am4 socket motherboard and can I scale my ambition to 3 GPUs?
Then I can just sit on all my epyc hardware and stuff till I can afford an epyc 7402 and another mb. Or wait longer.
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Vote libertarian. The government does way more harm than good, it would be better just living free.
Never going to happen here in the US, the two main political parties are waaaay too entrenched to allow that to happen, the two main parties really DO make the rules.
What do you have on your ballot paper for a general election? Can you vote for someone other than the main two?
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Tesla is far from the first to enable and disable capabilities already present. Amdahl was a leading manufacturer of IBM-compatible computers whose facility in Sunnyvale I drove past every day on the drive to work during the 1980s. At one point their engineering and manufacturing found it cost-effective to build fewer distinct models than their marketing thought necessary for best sales and profits.
So models limited below their actual performance capability were seen by marketing as an add-on sales opportunity. For the base price you got the right to use full performance for a restricted number of hours per month (to whet your appetite). For a suitable fee you could buy additional hours of full performance. I think this was actively true sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
Another example is jet engines for commercial aircraft. For some thrust grade distinctions in some series of turbofans, the only difference is a sort of configuration "plug". You pay less for the one that is limited to a lower maximum thrust. And, no, the guys on the flight deck do not have a magic push button to surpass this artificial limitation.
To get this back a bit closer to Einstein@Home, we have seen instances of GPU cards being sold in model grades which artificially limit customer use of capability actually present, and we have seen aftermarket firmware hacks to get past some of those limitations.
Tesla makes good cars, some of the fit and finish sucks but most people don't look that closely anyway and it HAS gotten better over the years. And buying a used Tesla from Tesla is often cheaper than buying one from a person, Tesla just wants to sell the car while the private person wants to get as much money out of it as they can. I actually looked at it awhile back when the basic car was selling for around $30k and the used ones were selling for almost half that!! I haven't looked in awhile though.
You would think in the suing society of the US, if you bought a used Tesla which had X Y and Z available, then shortly afterwards they got turned off remotely, you'd be able to take them to court. It's your car! They have no business doing that!
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Found a "pristine" used Asus x570 with 3 full slots.
I the MB is layout out "right" I am hoping to get two pcie gen 4 GPUs directly in the MB and 3rd on a ribbon cable.
What I am pondering is 3 long slots is the cut off for any reasonably priced am4 socket motherboard and can I scale my ambition to 3 GPUs?
Then I can just sit on all my epyc hardware and stuff till I can afford an epyc 7402 and another mb. Or wait longer.
Tom M
I got all 8 of my GPUs running on one board for a test. USB risers, single lane PCI-E 2 do work, despite the grumbles from some useless people who don't know how to plug things together.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Tesla is far from the first to enable and disable capabilities already present. Amdahl was a leading manufacturer of IBM-compatible computers whose facility in Sunnyvale I drove past every day on the drive to work during the 1980s. At one point their engineering and manufacturing found it cost-effective to build fewer distinct models than their marketing thought necessary for best sales and profits.
So models limited below their actual performance capability were seen by marketing as an add-on sales opportunity. For the base price you got the right to use full performance for a restricted number of hours per month (to whet your appetite). For a suitable fee you could buy additional hours of full performance. I think this was actively true sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
Another example is jet engines for commercial aircraft. For some thrust grade distinctions in some series of turbofans, the only difference is a sort of configuration "plug". You pay less for the one that is limited to a lower maximum thrust. And, no, the guys on the flight deck do not have a magic push button to surpass this artificial limitation.
To get this back a bit closer to Einstein@Home, we have seen instances of GPU cards being sold in model grades which artificially limit customer use of capability actually present, and we have seen aftermarket firmware hacks to get past some of those limitations.
Yip, the first time I saw this stupid nonsense was a model of Intel CPU. You could add the coprocessor very easily by connecting two pins I believe. That taught them not to piss people about. If you possess the device, you can use the device, anything else is moronic.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Found a "pristine" used Asus x570 with 3 full slots.
I the MB is layout out "right" I am hoping to get two pcie gen 4 GPUs directly in the MB and 3rd on a ribbon cable.
What I am pondering is 3 long slots is the cut off for any reasonably priced am4 socket motherboard and can I scale my ambition to 3 GPUs?
Then I can just sit on all my epyc hardware and stuff till I can afford an epyc 7402 and another mb. Or wait longer.
Tom M
I got all 8 of my GPUs running on one board for a test. USB risers, single lane PCI-E 2 do work, despite the grumbles from some useless people who don't know how to plug things together.
How is it processing E@H? Which one is it?
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Peter Hucker of the Scottish
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Tesla makes good cars, some of the fit and finish sucks but most people don't look that closely anyway and it HAS gotten better over the years. And buying a used Tesla from Tesla is often cheaper than buying one from a person, Tesla just wants to sell the car while the private person wants to get as much money out of it as they can. I actually looked at it awhile back when the basic car was selling for around $30k and the used ones were selling for almost half that!! I haven't looked in awhile though.
Found a "pristine" used Asus
)
Found a "pristine" used Asus x570 with 3 full slots.
I the MB is layout out "right" I am hoping to get two pcie gen 4 GPUs directly in the MB and 3rd on a ribbon cable.
What I am pondering is 3 long slots is the cut off for any reasonably priced am4 socket motherboard and can I scale my ambition to 3 GPUs?
Then I can just sit on all my epyc hardware and stuff till I can afford an epyc 7402 and another mb. Or wait longer.
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!
Tom M wrote: Found a
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Is that a sign of patience I am hearing from Tom?
I never thought I would hear you say "Then I can just sit...Or wait longer."
;^)
Proud member of the Old Farts Association
Tom M wrote: I started this
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Nothing will keep the OCD types happy. You can't create a thread for every single topic.
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mikey wrote: Peter Hucker of
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What do you have on your ballot paper for a general election? Can you vote for someone other than the main two?
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Tesla is far from the first
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Tesla is far from the first to enable and disable capabilities already present. Amdahl was a leading manufacturer of IBM-compatible computers whose facility in Sunnyvale I drove past every day on the drive to work during the 1980s. At one point their engineering and manufacturing found it cost-effective to build fewer distinct models than their marketing thought necessary for best sales and profits.
So models limited below their actual performance capability were seen by marketing as an add-on sales opportunity. For the base price you got the right to use full performance for a restricted number of hours per month (to whet your appetite). For a suitable fee you could buy additional hours of full performance. I think this was actively true sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
Another example is jet engines for commercial aircraft. For some thrust grade distinctions in some series of turbofans, the only difference is a sort of configuration "plug". You pay less for the one that is limited to a lower maximum thrust. And, no, the guys on the flight deck do not have a magic push button to surpass this artificial limitation.
To get this back a bit closer to Einstein@Home, we have seen instances of GPU cards being sold in model grades which artificially limit customer use of capability actually present, and we have seen aftermarket firmware hacks to get past some of those limitations.
mikey wrote: Tesla makes
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You would think in the suing society of the US, if you bought a used Tesla which had X Y and Z available, then shortly afterwards they got turned off remotely, you'd be able to take them to court. It's your car! They have no business doing that!
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Tom M wrote: Found a
)
I got all 8 of my GPUs running on one board for a test. USB risers, single lane PCI-E 2 do work, despite the grumbles from some useless people who don't know how to plug things together.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
archae86 wrote: Tesla is far
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Yip, the first time I saw this stupid nonsense was a model of Intel CPU. You could add the coprocessor very easily by connecting two pins I believe. That taught them not to piss people about. If you possess the device, you can use the device, anything else is moronic.
If this page takes an hour to load, reduce posts per page to 20 in your settings, then the tinpot 486 Einstein uses can handle it.
Peter Hucker of the Scottish
)
How is it processing E@H? Which one is it?
Tom M
A Proud member of the O.F.A. (Old Farts Association). Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.® (Garrison Keillor) I want some more patience. RIGHT NOW!