This morning i went out buying my internet cards like always from a big cyber-cafe, where i print sometimes some things and being friend with all the technicians there , i asked if installing some other windows will save a bit my laptop , he told me that it will be of no use , because i will lose a lot of programs like yahoo messenger etc. I asked him about the price of the last model of desktop they use in their cyber cafe, he told me that it will be around 400 or 500 $US . But given the huge volume of that engine behind the desktop, it's really not practical for me, very heavy . As long as it's possible to work with this one , i will use it , and when really necessary i will buy a new one .
Just now here 11:42 am , EAH is running : Progress : 34.90 %
CPU time : 34:25:44
Time to completion : 64:11:55
Seti is still preempted to 88.44 %
Cheers
P.S. Oh i forgot : our internet connection has always problems even with the
very modern PCs , also our phone lines always a lot of trafics.
What I meant in my post about beta-testing the .18 app was my lack of commitment in that test. I understood from the start that you were referring to the Boinc 5.1.5 core client beta. On the other hand, since the 4.37 was an early or mid-term beta resulting in 4.45 recommended version, I suppose that what I have been doing is giving it an extended beta test, but with no feedback from me. hahaha. I would like to keep the option of reverting to 4.37 as a fallback position, especially if the newer bata negatively impacts my benchmarks (or crunchtime), thus scores. Yes, I think I will have a lookaround for the Boinc beta site, and give 5.1.5 or 5.1.6 or whatever is the current code version a try.
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
WOW ! Just now Seti is running with : 88.66% of progress, 3:36:26 to completion and CPU time 28:19:42
OK. Now Seti will run for at least an hour before it could switch back to EAH. Because EAH had a good long run, Seti will probably run longer, hopefully for long enough for your result to complete. Seti work units run faster towards the end, particularly from now onwards so don't be surprised to see the remaining time decreasing a bit more quickly than expected. The 3:36:26 you mantion will probably turn out to be around 3 hours of actual wall clock time. The estimates are not always accurate (or linear) particularly with Seti.
BOINC will be looking to download your next Seti unit shortly so if you happen to notice some messages about that in your messages window, that is fine. If you happen to be offline when BOINC tries to do the download, it will of course fail but it will keep retrying. You should go online at that point and if the retry interval is only a few minutes (BOINC will display this) you can leave things alone and BOINC will take care of it. If BOINC says it will retry in a much longer time period (eg 1 hour or more) you can go to the transfers tab and you should be able to find a "retry now" option. I don't have your version of BOINC manager so I don't exactly know what to describe!! All you really need to worry about is not to hit any option called "reset" or "detach" or "abort". If in any doubt leave things alone and let BOINC worry about it when it wants to.
Once your new work unit is safely downloaded, BOINC will hopefully continue to allow the last crunching of your first WU to complete. Please realise that when the display shows 100%, crunching will not stop immediately although the display will remain on 100%. The status will still show "running", the cpu time will still be increasing and the time to completion will show zero. At your slow speeds, this may continue on for quite a long time - 5-10mins or so. Do not be alarmed. Wait for the cpu time to stop, the status to change to "uploading" (I think) and then "Ready to report". When you see that you simply "Update" the Seti project and break out the champagne (if you are allowed to do that in Iran)!! :).
...i asked if installing some other windows will save a bit my laptop , he told me that it will be of no use...
Hello, Ariane
The technician was correct, installing another version of Windows (or even re-installing XP Professional) would necessitate you re-installing all your other programs, as well as moving or losing any documents, pictures, etc, which Windows by default saves to a folder that gets overwritten during Windows install (not one of Microsoft's better decisions). I question the choice of Windows XP Pro (rather than Windows XP Home) on your small-capacity hard drive at the time they fixed your computer some months ago, simply because the Pro version is even more bloated than the Home version. Now that it's there, and working properly, you should not change it for something else. Replacing your broken CD drive with a CD writer would be a good idea, simple and not very expensive, about $35US, I would guess. You could then move some files from your local disk and save them on recordable CD, and make more free space. Not an immediate need, but something to consider.
Regarding the shrinking free space on your local disk: I am surprised that I did not think of adjusting downward the allocation for system restore while we were on the subject days ago. Good on Gary for thinking of this, and I'm confident that whatever change he suggests will be proper. Here is something else I missed, because I do it so automatically - double-click on your Recycle Bin to see whether there is anything in there which you may wish to keep. If not, then close it, right-click on it, and click on "Empty Recycle Bin". If you delete files, they are not removed from your local disk, but are simply moved to the Recycle Bin, still taking space on your drive. This is a safety measure, in case you decide later that perhaps you wanted them, after all. During the course of a few months, the Recycle Bin becomes full. You might also wish to allocate less space for the Recycle Bin, making more free space on your disk. To resize it, right-click on it, click on "Properties", find the slider (like that you saw while checking System Restore space), and adjust it lower. I think Windows uses 10% as default, and you can comfortably decrease that to 3%, click "Apply" and "OK".
I see that your first Seti Workunit is near completion. Soon you will have your very first Boinc credit! We are all very proud of you for your great progress.
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
This is quite good actually. BOINC has now probably settled into its normal routine. It gave 1 hour to Seti. It will probably give two or three hours to EAH before returning to Seti. Your ratio of your resource share of 70/30 should now be followed more closely. Notice also that in that 1 hour of computing time, the estimate for the time remaining dropped from 3:36 to 2:02, a drop of 1 hour 34 minutes. This is the speedup I was talking about. At that rate, the remaining estimate of 2 hours will elapse in less than 1.5 if we are lucky, but probably not quickly enough to finish in the next BOINC allocated time slice for Seti which will be 1 hour only. However it should all be over before you go to sleep this evening seeing as it is now only early afternoon.
The whole system restore thing was your smart thinking. I've got big hard disks on my boxes and have never bothered to make any changes to the defaults. I got a shock when I saw how big the defaults were - 12% of a large partition is a hell of a lot of HD real estate to throw away.
My suggestion to Ariane would be to redo your instructions of the other day to get rid of any excess restore points that might have sprung up and then move the slider from 550MB down to around 200MB. What do you think?
Also, to Ariane, I suggest we hold off on this until the first result is safely uploaded and reported through the update function. We don't want anything to go wrong at this critical point, do we :).
Edit: Also to Ariane, please also use Michael's instructions about the recycle bin and reduce it from 10% to 3% as suggested. This will probably free up another 200MB for you.
The whole system restore thing was your smart thinking. I've got big hard disks on my boxes and have never bothered to make any changes to the defaults. I got a shock when I saw how big the defaults were - 12% of a large partition is a hell of a lot of HD real estate to throw away.
My suggestion to Ariane would be to redo your instructions of the other day to get rid of any excess restore points that might have sprung up and then move the slider from 550MB down to around 200MB. What do you think?
Also, to Ariane, I suggest we hold off on this until the first result is safely uploaded and reported through the update function. We don't want anything to go wrong at this critical point, do we :).
Edit: Also to Ariane, please also use Michael's instructions about the recycle bin and reduce it from 10% to 3% as suggested. This will probably free up another 200MB for you.
Resize SysRestore: 200MB sounds about right. Ariane probable doesn't have too many programs installed, so the registry hive likely isn't very large. 200MB should be room enough for several restore points. I agree, redoing the Disk Cleanup/All-but-Most-Recent-Restore can safely wait until she's put some points up on the Seti and Einstein boards. It sounds like there's enough free space headroom to easily go that long, unless she has Scheduled Tasks like CheckDisk or Disk Defrag imminent, Defrag in particular hogs CPU cycles and absolutely crawls is free space is below 15%. Might be a good idea to check for those.
12% for System Restore is out of line except for those who are (knowingly or otherwise) constantly installing software, and grossly excessive even for today's medium-size (40-80GB) drives. I used it often 4 years ago on my first PC - HP, 700MHz Celeron, 64MB pc2100 RAM, 20GB drive, WinME(Multiple Errors?), probably 40 times, in addition to 5 full re-installs, in the 4 months I had it. What a PITA! I didn't mind too much when someone stole it then, except for the 256MB memory stick I'd added just a week earlier, which had helped system stability immensely.
About a year ago, I got a very nasty malware infestation, deliberately downloading and installing it to get some firsthand experience to help a long-distance friend who'd been plagued. Seems this bug backed up it's own installation in the Restore files, in addition to registry changes, very persistant. Long story short, what I eventually had to do was disable System Restore, restart, re-scan, re-edit registry, restart. Whew! My rig is now (knock on wood) just about bulletproof, so I keep System Restore turned off, for reasons of security and wasted space (410GB x even 1% is more than enough, and a waste, if you don't use it). I use the usual anti-spyware/anti-malware apps and NOD32 AV, just last month renewed for another year, it misses nothing, scans very deeply and quickly, and has extremely little system resources usage. Very elegant piece of work by the Czech writer. "This commercial message has been brought to you by..." lol
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
Yes, I think I will have a lookaround for the Boinc beta site, and give 5.1.5 or 5.1.6 or whatever is the current code version a try.
Update. I'm having no success finding a link to download the Boinc beta 5.1.x core client. Even google is acting like a total stranger, like I am the red-headed stepchild. Do you have a link?
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
RE: Once again hello
)
P.S. Oh i forgot : our internet connection has always problems even with the
very modern PCs , also our phone lines always a lot of trafics.
Ariane
WOW ! Just now Seti is
)
WOW ! Just now Seti is running with : 88.66% of progress, 3:36:26 to completion and CPU time 28:19:42
EAH is preempted with 35.08 % of Progress
Ariane
Hi, Gary What I meant in
)
Hi, Gary
What I meant in my post about beta-testing the .18 app was my lack of commitment in that test. I understood from the start that you were referring to the Boinc 5.1.5 core client beta. On the other hand, since the 4.37 was an early or mid-term beta resulting in 4.45 recommended version, I suppose that what I have been doing is giving it an extended beta test, but with no feedback from me. hahaha. I would like to keep the option of reverting to 4.37 as a fallback position, especially if the newer bata negatively impacts my benchmarks (or crunchtime), thus scores. Yes, I think I will have a lookaround for the Boinc beta site, and give 5.1.5 or 5.1.6 or whatever is the current code version a try.
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
RE: WOW ! Just now Seti is
)
OK. Now Seti will run for at least an hour before it could switch back to EAH. Because EAH had a good long run, Seti will probably run longer, hopefully for long enough for your result to complete. Seti work units run faster towards the end, particularly from now onwards so don't be surprised to see the remaining time decreasing a bit more quickly than expected. The 3:36:26 you mantion will probably turn out to be around 3 hours of actual wall clock time. The estimates are not always accurate (or linear) particularly with Seti.
BOINC will be looking to download your next Seti unit shortly so if you happen to notice some messages about that in your messages window, that is fine. If you happen to be offline when BOINC tries to do the download, it will of course fail but it will keep retrying. You should go online at that point and if the retry interval is only a few minutes (BOINC will display this) you can leave things alone and BOINC will take care of it. If BOINC says it will retry in a much longer time period (eg 1 hour or more) you can go to the transfers tab and you should be able to find a "retry now" option. I don't have your version of BOINC manager so I don't exactly know what to describe!! All you really need to worry about is not to hit any option called "reset" or "detach" or "abort". If in any doubt leave things alone and let BOINC worry about it when it wants to.
Once your new work unit is safely downloaded, BOINC will hopefully continue to allow the last crunching of your first WU to complete. Please realise that when the display shows 100%, crunching will not stop immediately although the display will remain on 100%. The status will still show "running", the cpu time will still be increasing and the time to completion will show zero. At your slow speeds, this may continue on for quite a long time - 5-10mins or so. Do not be alarmed. Wait for the cpu time to stop, the status to change to "uploading" (I think) and then "Ready to report". When you see that you simply "Update" the Seti project and break out the champagne (if you are allowed to do that in Iran)!! :).
Cheers,
Gary.
We should wait for the
)
We should wait for the champagne (grin)!
At 2:10 pm, EAH is running : Progress 35.30 %
CPU time 34:49:53
to completion 63:49:55
- Seti preemted at 93.61 %
CPU time 29:50:06
to completion 02:02:15
Ariane
RE: ...i asked if
)
Hello, Ariane
The technician was correct, installing another version of Windows (or even re-installing XP Professional) would necessitate you re-installing all your other programs, as well as moving or losing any documents, pictures, etc, which Windows by default saves to a folder that gets overwritten during Windows install (not one of Microsoft's better decisions). I question the choice of Windows XP Pro (rather than Windows XP Home) on your small-capacity hard drive at the time they fixed your computer some months ago, simply because the Pro version is even more bloated than the Home version. Now that it's there, and working properly, you should not change it for something else. Replacing your broken CD drive with a CD writer would be a good idea, simple and not very expensive, about $35US, I would guess. You could then move some files from your local disk and save them on recordable CD, and make more free space. Not an immediate need, but something to consider.
Regarding the shrinking free space on your local disk: I am surprised that I did not think of adjusting downward the allocation for system restore while we were on the subject days ago. Good on Gary for thinking of this, and I'm confident that whatever change he suggests will be proper. Here is something else I missed, because I do it so automatically - double-click on your Recycle Bin to see whether there is anything in there which you may wish to keep. If not, then close it, right-click on it, and click on "Empty Recycle Bin". If you delete files, they are not removed from your local disk, but are simply moved to the Recycle Bin, still taking space on your drive. This is a safety measure, in case you decide later that perhaps you wanted them, after all. During the course of a few months, the Recycle Bin becomes full. You might also wish to allocate less space for the Recycle Bin, making more free space on your disk. To resize it, right-click on it, click on "Properties", find the slider (like that you saw while checking System Restore space), and adjust it lower. I think Windows uses 10% as default, and you can comfortably decrease that to 3%, click "Apply" and "OK".
I see that your first Seti Workunit is near completion. Soon you will have your very first Boinc credit! We are all very proud of you for your great progress.
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
RE: - Seti preemted at
)
This is quite good actually. BOINC has now probably settled into its normal routine. It gave 1 hour to Seti. It will probably give two or three hours to EAH before returning to Seti. Your ratio of your resource share of 70/30 should now be followed more closely. Notice also that in that 1 hour of computing time, the estimate for the time remaining dropped from 3:36 to 2:02, a drop of 1 hour 34 minutes. This is the speedup I was talking about. At that rate, the remaining estimate of 2 hours will elapse in less than 1.5 if we are lucky, but probably not quickly enough to finish in the next BOINC allocated time slice for Seti which will be 1 hour only. However it should all be over before you go to sleep this evening seeing as it is now only early afternoon.
Cheers,
Gary.
Michael, The whole system
)
Michael,
The whole system restore thing was your smart thinking. I've got big hard disks on my boxes and have never bothered to make any changes to the defaults. I got a shock when I saw how big the defaults were - 12% of a large partition is a hell of a lot of HD real estate to throw away.
My suggestion to Ariane would be to redo your instructions of the other day to get rid of any excess restore points that might have sprung up and then move the slider from 550MB down to around 200MB. What do you think?
Also, to Ariane, I suggest we hold off on this until the first result is safely uploaded and reported through the update function. We don't want anything to go wrong at this critical point, do we :).
Edit: Also to Ariane, please also use Michael's instructions about the recycle bin and reduce it from 10% to 3% as suggested. This will probably free up another 200MB for you.
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: Michael, The whole
)
Resize SysRestore: 200MB sounds about right. Ariane probable doesn't have too many programs installed, so the registry hive likely isn't very large. 200MB should be room enough for several restore points. I agree, redoing the Disk Cleanup/All-but-Most-Recent-Restore can safely wait until she's put some points up on the Seti and Einstein boards. It sounds like there's enough free space headroom to easily go that long, unless she has Scheduled Tasks like CheckDisk or Disk Defrag imminent, Defrag in particular hogs CPU cycles and absolutely crawls is free space is below 15%. Might be a good idea to check for those.
12% for System Restore is out of line except for those who are (knowingly or otherwise) constantly installing software, and grossly excessive even for today's medium-size (40-80GB) drives. I used it often 4 years ago on my first PC - HP, 700MHz Celeron, 64MB pc2100 RAM, 20GB drive, WinME(Multiple Errors?), probably 40 times, in addition to 5 full re-installs, in the 4 months I had it. What a PITA! I didn't mind too much when someone stole it then, except for the 256MB memory stick I'd added just a week earlier, which had helped system stability immensely.
About a year ago, I got a very nasty malware infestation, deliberately downloading and installing it to get some firsthand experience to help a long-distance friend who'd been plagued. Seems this bug backed up it's own installation in the Restore files, in addition to registry changes, very persistant. Long story short, what I eventually had to do was disable System Restore, restart, re-scan, re-edit registry, restart. Whew! My rig is now (knock on wood) just about bulletproof, so I keep System Restore turned off, for reasons of security and wasted space (410GB x even 1% is more than enough, and a waste, if you don't use it). I use the usual anti-spyware/anti-malware apps and NOD32 AV, just last month renewed for another year, it misses nothing, scans very deeply and quickly, and has extremely little system resources usage. Very elegant piece of work by the Czech writer. "This commercial message has been brought to you by..." lol
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK
RE: Hi, Gary Yes, I think
)
Update. I'm having no success finding a link to download the Boinc beta 5.1.x core client. Even google is acting like a total stranger, like I am the red-headed stepchild. Do you have a link?
microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK