GDPR: restricting access to project statistics downloads
Submitted on 13 Jun 2018 12:26:38 UTC
Hi everyone,
we'd like to announce that we're going to disable anonymous access to our project statistics downloads, becoming effective tomorrow, June 14th at 15:00 CEST. The reasoning behind this move is the new EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and its obligation concerning the publication of personal information of our users. We've discussed this matter with our community beforehand and found a way that seems to be acceptable for most. Fear not, the following services and projects already registered individual access accounts with us and will therefore be able to gather our statistics data as usual:
- BOINCstats
- BOINC Combined Statistics
- Free-DC
- GridRepublic
- Gridcoin
We're also planning to add a new feature that will allow individual users to fetch their statistics data automatically and in machine readable form (presumably XML). We're going to announce that and further related changes as soon as they're ready.
Cheers,
Oliver
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Stats dump access is
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Stats dump access is restricted now.
BM
Boinc Combined Stats is not
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Boinc Combined Stats is not including any of my credits from Einstein@home. The two previous posts seem to be at odds. How do I get credit for my work on Einstein.
I'm having the same issues as
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I'm having the same issues as LOCAL RF DUDE in that my stats no longer include Einstein@home. When will we see credits returned to our accounts?
Hi,I run
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Hi,
I run https://boinc.mundayweb.com which has provided customisable user stats graphics since BOINC began.
It would be great if my users could continue to see their Einstein@Home stats.
Please can I request access to your XML stats files?
Many thanks,
Neil.
Local RF Dude / B. B.
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Local RF Dude / B. B. Stanfield: we'll contact BOINC Combined Stats to see what's wrong. FYI, you are getting your credit from us, here at our project. IOW, that's totally independent of any external stats site.
Neil: I'll send you a PM with the details.
Cheers
Einstein@Home Project
Local RF Dude / B. B.
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Local RF Dude / B. B. Stanfield: I can see both your records at BOINC Combined Stats. Can you confirm that?
Einstein@Home Project
Hi, I
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Hi,
I run https://stats.czechnationalteam.cz/ which has provided user stats for Czech National Team.
It would be great if my users could continue to see their Einstein@Home stats.
Please can I request access to your XML stats files?
Many thanks,
Vít Kliber, Czech National Team.
Hello, Did you exclude
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Hello,
Did you exclude SetiBZH from stats ???
Also Formula BOINC have no more acces !
There are hundreds of billions "lost credits"
Best regards from the first belgian team.
[img]http://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/8912/sig.png[/img]
When will E@H credit be shown
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When will E@H credit be shown on my BOINC account so I can earn Gridcoin???
The new EU General Data
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The new EU General Data Protection Regulation requires us to deal with your data in a responsible way. Here in particular this means that we don't openly give it to anyone that we don't know and who hasn't confirmed to us that he will also treat it with responsibility. Thus we disallowed anonymous access to the full project statistics about every host, user and team (i.e. the full stats DB dump) and restricted it to the people / sites that registered with us. Nothing and noone got excluded in particular. This step was coordinated with the most popular stats sites, publicly discussed and announced well in advance. It's still possible to contact us to get access to the stats dumps, however currently it may tike some more time at our end to process such requests.
Gridcoin apparently systematically relied on such anonymous access to information about anyone from anywhere, so this change affects gridcoin more than other ordinary stats sites. I know that they're working on a solution, but there's nothing we can do from our end to speed that up.
In any case no credit will be lost at all; depending on the way or site you count it at, it might show up with more or less delay.
BM
Send PM to Oliver asking what
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Send PM to Oliver asking what is needed to get access back to feed our team stats sites. Hope it can be resolved soon.
Hello Bernd, I understand
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Hello Bernd,
I understand about anonymous acces.
But SETIBZH (and FormulaBoinc) are wel known stats !
Why they are blocked ?
Best regards from first Belgian team admin
[img]http://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/8912/sig.png[/img]
It looks like my account is
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It looks like my account is having some credit issues. My boinc.exe is currently showing 246 million points which is correct, but boincstats keeps saying 14 319 points total and identical amount of 14 319 points everyday since june 13th?
My team stats etc has also zeroed. My current team status is switched to N/A now.
It looks like there is TWO
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It looks like there is TWO accounts/CPIDs linked to one computer and now BAM! is showing the wrong one and the right one still updates correctly. I tried to synchronize my account again but still no success.
Hi,Is it also possible to
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Hi,
Is it also possible to have access to the Albert@Home stats as well? I tried using my Einstein@Home server credentials, but these were rejected.
Cheers,
Neil.
Well they have no Badges and
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Well they have no Badges and Mining has Taken over BOINC in general so it is odd that not all the Other BOINC Projects did this, but WCG did this as well.
Sad that the EU is trying to take over the World.
Funny that they are more powerful than the United Nations now, Sad Day for the United Nations IMO.
Crunching@EVGA The Number One Team in the BOINC Community. Folding@EVGA The Number One Team in the Folding@Home Community.
What do I need to do to
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What do I need to do to obtain access to stats again ? Can a admin/moderator please contact me via eMail/PM on details of rules ?
Thanks
CV
marsinph wrote: But SETIBZH
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As Bernd already tried to explain: we're not explicitly blocking anyone, we locked down anonymous access for everyone. All services and individuals who asked for a personalized account in time got one. I'm not aware of SETIBZH or FormulaBoinc so they're not necessarily well known, but they can certainly request individual accounts. They just need to PM or email us.
Cheers,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
ChristianVirtual wrote:Can a
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Done :-)
Einstein@Home Project
Neil Munday wrote:Is it also
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Sure, and sorry for the delay. We're understaffed due to vacation and sick-leave right now. We'll look into this shortly and get back to you via PM or email.
Update: that got already resolved in the meantime.
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Not sure why a forum thread
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Not sure why a forum thread was locked in favor of a news thread but I was going to add a comment about one of the last posts in there.
Gridcoin production has dropped in half over the last month. I am in no way associated with that team, just pointing it out.
https://stats3.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=team&proj=eah&team=13630
Well, (historically) there
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Well, (historically) there were three threads dealing with the same topic, that's why. Avoiding duplicate discussions. This one is the most visible one of the three. Easy choice.
Again, Gridcoin confirmed they have full access to our data almost a month ago. I can't speak for them if there are still internal issues at their site but we're waiting for their feedback on the current status of things.
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Sadly, I plan stopping
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In a locked thread, SHOPXXL-COM wrote:
Well, legally every project that has participants from the EU will need to comply with these EU regulations, and the BOINC developers, driven mainly by E@H. WCG and CERN/LHC are currently working hard to ensure that GPDR compliance is available for all projects. Sooner or later all projects will implement similar restrictions.
Gridcoin as a project with a central server does have access to the projects stats. The problem seems to be that they relied on anonymous access to the complete stats from every "wallet" (which I assume to be distributed). I know that they're working on a solution, but apparently they're not finished yet, and there's nothing we can do at our end to speed that up.
BM
Thanks Oliver. reveiced your
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Thanks Oliver. reveiced your input and will reintegrate on weekend. Thanks also for the additional links.
Very helpful !
Sure, you're welcome. Let us
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Sure, you're welcome. Let us know if we can be of any further assistance.
Cheers,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Update regarding
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Update regarding Gridcoin
NeuralMiner (NM) from Gridcoin got back to us and said that they originally planned to reenable our project with the next release. They're now trying to fast-track us such that we should be back "soon-ish". In the meantime feel free to message NM above or use any of their social media channels to reach out to them:
Einstein@Home Project
Why is the Einstein@Home
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Why is the
Einstein@Home Progress
How do you tell it
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How do you tell it isn't? The spike just dwarfs the regular values due to scaling.
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Because the graphic hasn't
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Because I check it almost every day and the graphic hasn't changed ever since the whole GDPR thing. That one spike has been in that same place ever since June, and hasn't moved. And same goes with my stats page on my profile. The graphic seems frozen in place. Before June it used to change frequently.
We'll keep an eye on it and
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We'll keep an eye on it and will fix it if that's indeed the case.
Thanks
Einstein@Home Project
Ok, after a day I checked the
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Ok, after a day I checked the data again and the charts are updated. Keep in mind that you're looking at 90 values which means the currently visible peak is only shifting slightly, yet clearly visible on comparison.
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Oh, okay. Thanks for
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Oh, okay. Thanks for checking. I'm guessing after a little while longer, once the really large spike moves off the edge of the graph, we'll start seeing more regular, smaller spikes? Also, is the graph on my account dashboard and the one on the "Home" page supposed to be the same thing? I was under the impression that one is to show only my own "credits per day" while the other one is for the overall project. I admit I'm not entirely clear on how to read that graph..
Yes, after the spike you'll
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Yes, after the spike you'll see a normal curve again (scaling issue). No, they are not the same, but whole project vs. your personal account. However, they show the same characteristic as they both suffer from the same scaling issue which is the result of when the external statistics service we query got excluded from our stats exports, duh (see first post). When that connection was reestablished all credit that "accumulated" in the meantime was attributed once, hence the spike.
Anyhow, those graphs are mainly eye-candy that should give you some indication of how the project and you performed over the past 60 days. That's also why there's no actual y-axis :-)
Hope this helps,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Yes, I understand now. Thank
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Yes, I understand now. Thank you! :D
Hey guys I'm curious about
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Hey guys
I'm curious about the rationale behind Einstein's move towards restricting anonymous stats export. Specifically, I wanted to point out that World Community Grid conducted a very lengthy legal review of GDPR. In the end, they decided to not implement more restrictions on their data. The actual post is here:
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewpostinthread?post=588719
What was the reason for Einstein going ahead with these changes when IBM decided against it? Serious question here, I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything.
Hi! The point here is that
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Hi!
The point here is that we're talking about a legal topic and laws are always up to interpretation - that's why we have courts. WCG/IBM made their choice after consulting with their lawyers; we made our choice after consulting with our data protection officer (and thereby also our lawyers). We interpret the relevant GDPR clauses in a way that we want to be able to tell who is consuming the personal data we explicitly publish for external consumption, since we can be held accountable of how we share such data. If WCG/IBM decided to be less restrictive that's their prerogative. We chose differently.
Hope this helps,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
I'm a bit late here, but I am
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I'm a bit late here, but I am the admin of https://statsbzh.boinc-af.org
May I have access (Login/pass?) to the stats?
Thank you
PS: IM sent already
MyUneo, the Cupid of Services
Sure, please check your
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Sure, please check your inbox...
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
Can someone bring me up to
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Can someone bring me up to speed regarding Einstein and Gridcoin?
Thanks in advance, it is quite hard to find some answers on this topic. Has the GDPR problem been solved somehow?
They've kept telling us that
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They've kept telling us that they're working on it. They have everything they need from us so there's nothing we can do other than ask and ask again. My advise would be that the community should reach out to them to add some (positive) pressure to the matter.
Hope this helps,
Oliver
Einstein@Home Project
There's an update by
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There's an update by NeuralMiner, a Gridcoin representative.
Einstein@Home Project
Hello administrators, I'm the
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Hello administrators,
I'm the founder of the boinc-wide team Boinc.Italy, and the relative community www.boincitaly.org
We have a stats section on our portal, we are working on a new version and we'd like to get einstein@home working again.
Is it possible to have credentials to access project stats xml data?
Thank you.
Paolo.
Hi Paolo, I'll get back to
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Hi Paolo, I'll get back to you via PM.
Einstein@Home Project