Yikes, I won't do that again!

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I always run Einstein and Rosetta 50/50 on my P4/HT machine. My current data pack has been running tasks of 51-52 hours in length. Well, some poor guy's/gal's wingman aborted a task and it was sent to me. So I thought I would help him/her out by running the new task in addition to the Einstein task I was already running. Yikes, the completion time jumped from 51 hours to 66 hours on both tasks. From now on my wingman (wingperson?)can wait in line just like every other wingman.

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Yikes, I won't do that again!

"I always run Einstein and Rosetta 50/50 on my P4/HT machine. My current data pack has been running tasks of 51-52 hours in length. Well, some poor guy's/gal's wingman aborted a task and it was sent to me. So I thought I would help him/her out by running the new task in addition to the Einstein task I was already running. Yikes, the completion time jumped from 51 hours to 66 hours on both tasks. From now on my wingman (wingperson?)can wait in line just like every other wingman."

I was around in the 70's and 80's and saw some perfectly good computer people make the same mistake, sometimes with far worse results than you got.

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RE: Yikes, the completion

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Yikes, the completion time jumped from 51 hours to 66 hours on both tasks.

...thats the effect of the Intel hyperthreading architecture...
2 different tasks on a single core (but hyperthreading) CPU is generally better (more performant) than 2 times the same tasks...
...struggling for CPU core ressources which are virtually 2 times inside the CPU but in reality only once!

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Yeah, HT can be nice, i would

Yeah, HT can be nice, i would think its better to finish 2 WUs in 66hours instead of 1 WU in 50 hours?

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RE: Yeah, HT can be nice, i

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Yeah, HT can be nice, i would think its better to finish 2 WUs in 66hours instead of 1 WU in 50 hours?

The 50 hours comparision figure was also hyperthreaded, if I understand this correctly, but with a different mix (Einstein/Rosetta vs Einstein/Einstein). If run w/o Hyperthreading, an Einstein WU of the size in question should complete in far less than 50 hrs on this PC, but almost certainly not as fast as 25 hours (but 33 hrs could be possible). So basically HT might be no big advantage if you are just crunching Einstein, but does work in your favor if you are running Einstein along with (say) Rosetta.

Interesting stuff, thanks for posting it here.

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RE: RE: Yeah, HT can be

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Yeah, HT can be nice, i would think its better to finish 2 WUs in 66hours instead of 1 WU in 50 hours?

The 50 hours comparision figure was also hyperthreaded, if I understand this correctly, but with a different mix (Einstein/Rosetta vs Einstein/Einstein). If run w/o Hyperthreading, an Einstein WU of the size in question should complete in far less than 50 hrs on this PC, but almost certainly not as fast as 25 hours (but 33 hrs could be possible). So basically HT might be no big advantage if you are just crunching Einstein, but does work in your favor if you are running Einstein along with (say) Rosetta.

Interesting stuff, thanks for posting it here.

CU

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Your interpretation is correct. I've known about the Einstein/Rosetta vs Einstein/Einstein scenario since I joined in 2005. It's noteworthy that the jump from 51 to 66 hours happened after the first Einstein/Rosetta units crunched for a day and then the second Einstein task was started. So had I started the 2 Einstein tasks simultaneously the final completion time for both would probably have been longer than 66 hours. With Akos' S4 apps the time differences were much smaller than with the less optimized S5 app.

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