too much work

paul milton
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is the scheduler insane? usually my pc can only do one work unit in 24 hours but here i sit just transitiond to s5r4 only to see, get this.. 27 wu's this is supposed to be a seven day cache because, sadly, im now on dialup since moving accross town (used to have dsl)
any way, the one currently in progress reads.. 19:23:13 done 9:46:36 to go at 55.172% some how i think im going to have to abort a few wu's :|

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too much work

There was a database problem yesterday, and it really seems that the scheduler was affected as well. Feel free to abort the uncrunched units that you think have no chance of beeing completed in the next 18 days.

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yeah i know, im not angry

yeah i know, im not angry mind you just surprised it gave me so much work, it apparantly thinks i can do each one in about 5 hours. i wish! thing is, i have no idea which ones to abort and this one hasnt reported yet so i cant ask for guidance yet.

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RE: yeah i know, im not

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yeah i know, im not angry mind you just surprised it gave me so much work, it apparantly thinks i can do each one in about 5 hours. i wish! thing is, i have no idea which ones to abort and this one hasnt reported yet so i cant ask for guidance yet.

Lots of other thread talk on this one. The quick gist--there is a major shift in the relationship between estimated work requirement and actual work from S5R3 to S5R4, so until the first S5R4 unit completes on a host the time requirement for S5R4 work will be underestimated for prefetch and display purposes by something like a factor of 5 to 8. As soon as your first S5R4 WU completes, your host will know better, though it will slowly forget if you subsequently process more than a handful of S5R3 units.

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Speaking of the scheduler

Speaking of the scheduler here is an unquantified observation... I've noticed that the scheduler has changed my local S5R4 data packs several times; I am not crunching R3. I can only complete one R4 task in about 28 hours, so, how long has R4 been out and therefore how many tasks could I complete in that time?

A R3 data pack used to last me for weeks but already the R4 files have changed maybe 3 or 4 times. Am I the victim of super-fast machines that complete a data pack before I can make a significant contribution?

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Am I the victim of super-fast machines that complete a data pack before I can make a significant contribution?

Looking at your task list, that could be the case, as the 2nd computer in all of your tasks completed their task in less than half of the time that your system took...

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RE: RE: Am I the victim

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Am I the victim of super-fast machines that complete a data pack before I can make a significant contribution?

Looking at your task list, that could be the case, as the 2nd computer in all of your tasks completed their task in less than half of the time that your system took...


Then perhaps I should consider shutting down my computer as the electricity costs may outweigh the value of my contribution. Of course I could get a new core 2 duo or quad and save electricity as well as speed up the processing, but getting a new machine also costs money and I'm not capable of building my own machine.

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Am I the victim of super-fast machines that complete a data pack before I can make a significant contribution?

Looking at your task list, that could be the case, as the 2nd computer in all of your tasks completed their task in less than half of the time that your system took...


Then perhaps I should consider shutting down my computer as the electricity costs may outweigh the value of my contribution. Of course I could get a new core 2 duo or quad and save electricity as well as speed up the processing, but getting a new machine also costs money and I'm not capable of building my own machine.

Why do you think you're not capable? It's really not that bad... Building a deck or other home improvement project is much more complicated...

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Am I the victim of super-fast machines that complete a data pack before I can make a significant contribution?

Looking at your task list, that could be the case, as the 2nd computer in all of your tasks completed their task in less than half of the time that your system took...


Then perhaps I should consider shutting down my computer as the electricity costs may outweigh the value of my contribution. Of course I could get a new core 2 duo or quad and save electricity as well as speed up the processing, but getting a new machine also costs money and I'm not capable of building my own machine.

Why do you think you're not capable? It's really not that bad... Building a deck or other home improvement project is much more complicated...

LOL...

Agreed, it's really not that hard once you make the right selections for the 'pieces/parts'. No shortage of help available for figuring out what's 'best'. ;-)

In any event, even if you are in the 'slug' category, it takes 'two to tango' so to speak, so every task your host completes is worth exactly the same and is just as important as a task run by the fastest of the upcoming i7's, and is one less that someone else has to run. If you run the machine a lot anyway, and it serves your primary needs well, I'd say just let it keep soldiering on. :-)

Just look at my hosts, for example. They certainly aren't what anyone would call cutting edge, and I have never felt they were wasting their time. :-D

Regarding Paul's question, remember he said his host just transitioned over to R4, so he might have just been bit by the initial TDCF issue.

If so, the problem will dissipate pretty quick, and some more uptime could make aborts unnecessary if it hasn't been running 24/7.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: Am I

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Am I the victim of super-fast machines that complete a data pack before I can make a significant contribution?

Looking at your task list, that could be the case, as the 2nd computer in all of your tasks completed their task in less than half of the time that your system took...


Then perhaps I should consider shutting down my computer as the electricity costs may outweigh the value of my contribution. Of course I could get a new core 2 duo or quad and save electricity as well as speed up the processing, but getting a new machine also costs money and I'm not capable of building my own machine.

Why do you think you're not capable? It's really not that bad... Building a deck or other home improvement project is much more complicated...


Nice try, but you see I have some experience building with wood (and it's sort of intuitive as boys grow up); I have no experience with computers short of turning them on and off. Wouldn't know how to select compatible pieces parts nor assemble them without step-by-step instructions. Sure after having done one I might feel different, but I ain't about to spend a thousand dollars or two just to short circuit the whole thing when I turn it on! I looked recently at a Dell intel core 2 extreme QX9650 3GHZ 1333FSB 12 MB L2 cache 4GB dual channel DDR2 SDRAM 800MHz, yada, yada...(or maybe yum, yum) but the price (though I can afford it) was ludicrous $2400 US. If I could build one like that for half that price then we'd be getting some where? Any how-to books on this stuff?

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RE: Nice try, but you see I

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Nice try, but you see I have some experience building with wood (and it's sort of intuitive as boys grow up); I have no experience with computers short of turning them on and off. Wouldn't know how to select compatible pieces parts nor assemble them without step-by-step instructions. Sure after having done one I might feel different, but I ain't about to spend a thousand dollars or two just to short circuit the whole thing when I turn it on! I looked recently at a Dell intel core 2 extreme QX9650 3GHZ 1333FSB 12 MB L2 cache 4GB dual channel DDR2 SDRAM 800MHz, yada, yada...(or maybe yum, yum) but the price (though I can afford it) was ludicrous $2400 US. If I could build one like that for half that price then we'd be getting some where? Any how-to books on this stuff?

LOL...

Regarding 'How to's', just Google for 'build your first computer'. More than enough to get started with. ;-)

As to the rest about selecting hardware, the CPU and the motherboard you want to run sets most of the other details about what you need to get. Tom's Hardware, Anandtech, and sites like that provide everything from straightforward A-B comparos of contemporary competitors and hardware elements, right down to debates about the minutia of which platform has which features, and which give the best theoretical performance (and in up to excruciating detail to boot). :-)

For stuffing all the goodies into the box, most mainstream popular boards come with detailed enough manuals to get you through all but the toughest questions, and for those the manufacturers' or the gamer hardware web sites usually have solutions.

So with a relatively small investment in research, ordinary mechanical skills, and some plain common sense, you should be able to put together the functional equivalent of any of the high end boxes from the 'big guys' at well under half what they charge (or blow it away at the same price).

The only wildcard is if you don't have a copy of Windows to install. Then you will take somewhat of a hosing on that, since you won't get the sweetheart discount deal you'd get from an OEM. However, there's always Linux or eBay to ease that pain.

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