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Paul D. Buck
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Barry, I have been waiting

Barry,

I have been waiting for the next recommended version for weeks now. Heck I even did the voodoo to try to "force" it. But, even though I updated all my computers, they still have not come up with a new release ... maybe if you do it too? :)

BarryAZ
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RE: Barry, I have been

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Barry,

I have been waiting for the next recommended version for weeks now. Heck I even did the voodoo to try to "force" it. But, even though I updated all my computers, they still have not come up with a new release ... maybe if you do it too? :)

I leve the voodoo to the gods that play with SETI BOINC (smile).

Skip Da Shu
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RE: Paul, Much of the

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Paul,

Much of the discussion in this thread is documenting the particular behaviour of 4.19 and is not really relevant to 4.45 and later. With each passing day, the advent of 5.xx makes it a bit futile to dwell too much in the past. My guess is that the problems of older versions like 4.13 over in SAH land make it increasingly likely that some sort of lockout of older versions can't be too far away.

I really do admire your tenacity and you continue to amaze me with your apparent capacity to "document the world", despite your handicap, but in this particular case I think you should basically ignore what hasn't already been documented about versions like 4.19 and earlier and spend your apparently boundless energy on documenting the future, particularly for the benefit of all the new recruits from classicland who will probably land here sooner or later :).

On the subject of 4.45 and later, new recruits are going to need quite a bit of handholding in coping with JM7's scheduler philosophy and particularly for things seemingly to get "worse" until the code gets things "stabilized". Even experienced people are not really "getting it" and are taking actions (through impatience) that are actually making things worse. We are going to need every bit of your energy in documenting this sort of stuff for new users.

Please accept my personal warmest regards and thanks for the great job you are doing.


Hip hip... well stated ol' boy. Handicap? Oh yea, the Mac thing ;-)

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RE: Paul, I suspect, based

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Paul, I suspect, based on input here I might try the 4.45 client. I have fouor configurations running Pentium III's, but aside from that, my quite large farm is dominated by P4's running 2.4G and up, or XP's running XP2400 and up, so my environment is reasonably close to yours.

About the only thing that gives me pause is the discussion of a 5x client -- I suppose simply bumping up to 4.45 in the next week or so will bring me 'into the mainstream' though.

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@All,

I use 4.45; and do sometimes do an unscheduled "update" to flush pendings and it work very well for me. Caviat, I have reletively fast computers (slowest is 2.8 GHz). My cache is 3 days across all 5 production projects (only 3 on the PowerMac can't do LHC@Home as there is no application and CPDN models crash). I have no WU that get lost of over-run the deadline. Like others Einstein@Home's estimate is about 1 hour too low on all machines. SETI@Home is 2* too high.

This does give me a large population. BOINC View is telling me for my 8 computers I have 151 results pending or in-flight (2 ready to report).



Barry,
Yea, I really think your solution is v4.45, and set the "time between connects" to .65 or .75 days. No other tweaking should be required and within a week all will balance and be stable.

You keep refering to different que settings like there is more than one! Did you know that if you set this on any one project it is propagated to all the other projects in a fairly short time (24hrs)? So there really is ONLY 1 time between connect setting and it comes from the last project you set it on. It's simpler if you pick a "designated driver" project and any changes to General Preferences, default, home, work, school are only made there. I use SETI. Good Luck

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RE: You keep refering to

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You keep refering to different que settings like there is more than one! Did you know that if you set this on any one project it is propagated to all the other projects in a fairly short time (24hrs)? So there really is ONLY 1 time between connect setting and it comes from the last project you set it on. It's simpler if you pick a "designated driver" project and any changes to General Preferences, default, home, work, school are only made there. I use SETI. Good Luck

You can tell which is being used (most recently updated) from the messages just after BOINC starts:

24/07/2005 00:11:05|climateprediction.net|Computer ID: 44522; location: home; project prefs: default
24/07/2005 00:11:05|Einstein@Home|Computer ID: 10413; location: home; project prefs: default
24/07/2005 00:11:05|LHC@home|Computer ID: 22011; location: home; project prefs: default
24/07/2005 00:11:05|ProteinPredictorAtHome|Computer ID: 112714; location: home; project prefs: default
24/07/2005 00:11:05|SETI@home|Computer ID: 1172294; location: home; project prefs: default
24/07/2005 00:11:05|SETI@home Beta Test|Computer ID: 924; location: home; project prefs: default
24/07/2005 00:11:05||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2005-06-06 21:44:30)
24/07/2005 00:11:05||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
24/07/2005 00:11:05||Remote control allowed

BarryAZ
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RE: You keep refering to

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You keep refering to different que settings like there is more than one! Did you know that if you set this on any one project it is propagated to all the other projects in a fairly short time (24hrs)? So there really is ONLY 1 time between connect setting and it comes from the last project you set it on. It's simpler if you pick a "designated driver" project and any changes to General Preferences, default, home, work, school are only made there. I use SETI.

I didn't realize that -- the thing is, with the tumult on the SETI project, the reasonable approach there is for a LONG queue.

Since, for Einstein the recommendation is for a short queue, it suggests that there is a conflict for those running both on the same workstation -- at least until the SETI project folks obtain stability nirvana.

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RE: RE: You keep refering

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You keep refering to different que settings like there is more than one! Did you know that if you set this on any one project it is propagated to all the other projects in a fairly short time (24hrs)? So there really is ONLY 1 time between connect setting and it comes from the last project you set it on. It's simpler if you pick a "designated driver" project and any changes to General Preferences, default, home, work, school are only made there. I use SETI.

I didn't realize that -- the thing is, with the tumult on the SETI project, the reasonable approach there is for a LONG queue.

Since, for Einstein the recommendation is for a short queue, it suggests that there is a conflict for those running both on the same workstation -- at least until the SETI project folks obtain stability nirvana.


Attaching to multiple projects effectivly multiplies your queue setting. ie. A 1.0 day queue with 3 projects attached has very a similar effect to a 3.0 day queue with 1 project attached. The more projects you attach too the less you need a queue as well since it is very unlikely that all the projects will have problems at the same time.

BOINC WIKI

BOINCing since 2002/12/8

BarryAZ
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RE: RE: Attaching to

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Attaching to multiple projects effectivly multiplies your queue setting. ie. A 1.0 day queue with 3 projects attached has very a similar effect to a 3.0 day queue with 1 project attached. The more projects you attach too the less you need a queue as well since it is very unlikely that all the projects will have problems at the same time.

The problem for me is that while I have three different projects I've attached to -- in most cases (perhaps a bit more than 60%) I'm currently only attached to one on a given computer. For the remainder I attach to two, with one exception where I'm attached to all three projects.

As I migrate to the newer (4.45) client, I suspect I'll change this and in most cases choose two of the three projects for each workstation - but that is something that I probably won't get to for a couple of weeks for various reasons.

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I have switched a few

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I have switched a few workstations over to the 4.45 client -- had some problems with it on some workstations though. When I went to add a project (Einstein or Climate) to an existing configuration with SETI, sometimes the 4.45 client decided that I couldn't do that after contacting the project - and would detach me from the new project unilaterally. Naturally, I view this as a suboptimal result...

Paul D. Buck
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Could you show us the

Could you show us the messages? The COU Scheduler has nothing to do with that. If you are unsre where to look zip up all the .TXT files and send them to me with a reminder which problem this is and I will look at them and get back to you.

p.d.buck-[at]-comcast.net

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