I have a theory that the prices of everything will follow suit with those (prices) in the electronics industry, until everything's free.
I look forward to the day a robot serves us drinks and hors d'oeuvres and then asks, “Hey, where's my tip?� And we laugh, and recall the good ol' days when one person's time used to be a little more priceless than the other person's time.
I have a theory that the prices of everything will follow suit with those (prices) in the electronics industry, until everything's free.
I look forward to the day a robot serves us drinks and hors d'oeuvres and then asks, “Hey, where's my tip?� And we laugh, and recall the good ol' days when one person's time used to be a little more priceless than the other person's time.
I read a science fiction book back in 2003 about a totally libertarian society living 10000 year years in the future. The society was totaly serviced by artifical intelligence and colonized the solar system. It consisted of family units that basically lived off money earned by their investments and money earned by what intellectual property they developed. Nobody died when a body wore they simply replaced it. Procreation was limited. The society was totally stagnant. Until a rebel thought about explorerring out side the solar system. He was condemmed by the rest of society including the AI (They had a Vote). They stripped him of his property.
I have faith in the human spirit. There will always be a rebel
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
This isn't scifi. I referring to an evolutionary biological inevitability. You won't have to wait thousands of years for it. It will happen soon, within the next fifty years. The economy is a heavy, burdensome behemoth of a dinosaur that simply can't keep up with the pace with technological improvements. Not even the companies with child or prison labor sweat-shops will be able to compete (after the dawn of the age of robotics). And that's a good thing... a very good thing...
I agree we are on the cusp of a new revolution, Just like the industrial revolution the information revolution changed the way we do business, the robotic revolution with flexible automatic manufacturing systems powered by clean energy
will dramaticly change the way we do business today. There will still be corporations
But I am not that optimistic that technology is the solution to all the problems that business has. Refering to the debate in the article, (The purpose of corporation is to maximize profits for its shareholders). I do support this principle; But until the paradigm changes for that a corporation in long term does maximize its profits for its investors by developing a social conscious, I think will continue to be in world of hurt. Believe me being sor of a libertrian and I do believe in sustainable development I do not believe Government regulations are the answer. Maybe Government incentives.
I don't know:-)
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
I liked the use of the term 'stakeholder' in the article. That term is the one that focuses on the heart of the issue.
It's important for businesses to realize what the coming years will bring: the ability (for anyone) to conduct business better and faster, at almost no cost. The businesses that lead the way will be the ones engineering ways to provide goods whose prices to the consumer continually decline, until the boast can finally be made, “...another item has become freely available to the general public, made possible by the clever combination of these processes...�.
The end of 'money' as we know it, will allow researchers to conduct research at no cost, and students to continue education at no cost, and people to house and feed their families at no cost. This will in turn allow growth at no cost.
Growth, in any optimistic scenario, will require efficient use of available space and energy. This includes using the worlds within easy reach, which means a lot of terraforming. Point being, there are many more important things we should be focusing on, besides counting beans. Hopefully it's a given that we should be focusing on how to be better stewards of the world we already have. We need to be able to focus on it, at no cost.
'Money' of the future will be something akin to Nielsen ratings... :)
I like the term stakeholder too. From my own experience, Projects that involved all the stakeholders were successful and under budget. Projects that did not include the needs of all the stakeholders usually involved hugh cost overruns and were usually canned. These projects were really the more riskier financially.
I agree as the cost of doing business will reduce and will be less riskier financially. Corporations will come to realize that involving all the stakeholders(Employees, Vendors, Customers and even the Planet) will maximize their worth. Sorry I can't get my head around not dealing with some form of exchange for goods and services unless it is the barter system.
Let's try to do our part in realizing this, and hope the world does not turn out like William Gibson's Neuromancer - (Libertarianism gone amouk). We need to find a source cheap clean energy
Thank you people for allowing me to vent :-)
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
Sorry I can't get my head around not dealing with some form of exchange for goods and services unless it is the barter system.
I think there will always be things worth haggling over. Consider the example of a sold-out show: folks stand in line, camping out for days, for the chance to get tickets, and after that, free-trade of the tickets is free-trade, regardless of the convenient form of cobblestones.
I think businesses should concentrate on taking full advantage of those tools which will enable them to automate every aspect of their business's mission. The businesses providing these tools (robots, CNC machines, automated industrial processes) need to be hiring people, and training them to teach the newer robots and such (or generate programming) to perform ever more sophisticated (human) tasks.
Maybe the robotics companies can help subsidize people who purchase and operate fleets of automated Pizza Hut or Burger King or McDonalds vehicles (oh how I hate it when the human lifts the basket of fries out of the fryer before the timer goes off, because there's a long line at the drive-thru). Maybe some folks will compete for business with their own popular hometown recipes. Could be something as simple as frozen entrees, with a freezer and a microwave on wheels... :)
Actually, if vehicles like that, of various sizes, were zipping all about, and if they were all equipped with cameras, GPS navigation, standard wireless networking, and an embedded security protocol, they would be of immense value to law enforcement...
There will be some growing pains. The up most respect must be given to displaced workers as we move on this road towards automating the more mundane tasks of living and doing business. I believe Corporations who develop a social concsious will give displaced workers the resources to soften the burden, through counseling retraining, and relocation help. Independant small businesses that don't have the resources to do this then govenments at the municipal to the federal level have to step up providing some resources to these displaced workers. Other incentives to keep and attracted new business in depressed areas until many years down the road until the full effect of a fully networked automated society can be realized.
I think planning for this should start soon so as to get the infrastructure in place. I beleive if we let the free market alone handle this transition, there will be a tremendous increase in crime and instability in our communities in the beginning. We will be using our resources inefficently for additional protection of society through more police and prisons.
And another thing I don't think they will ever develop an AI to replace my favorite hotdog vendor who prepares the links and onions with such passion.
I would be willing to pay top cobblestone for my hotdog:-)
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
Ah, Utopia. Unfettered capitalism. Such a lovely idea. As lovely as communism or christianity, and every bit as doctrinaire. People create technology and people create societies in which technology may be used for good or ill. The choices we make, or more importantly, the choices we don't make will determine the future of this planet and our (as well as other) species living on it.
At the moment the odds are pretty good that we have reached, or are rapidly approaching a climatic tipping point that will result in enormous social and economic dislocation with a commensurate increase in human misery. Expecting technology to evolve as quickly as Chipper believes is hopelessly optimistic. Expecting it to be applied in time to prevent these dislocations is even more so.
Given the stubborn resistance of the developed world to act (rather than talk) to implement already existing technologies on the massive scale necessary for remediating the problems of global warming and it's effects; and given the inability (and in many cases the unwillingness) of the developing world to act in this regard means that the near future (50-100 years) will see at the very least inundation of low-lying parts of the world. The disappearance of some nations is likely. Redistribution and intensification of droughts and floods is already beginning to show itself.
All of this is happening now. And what are the unfettered capitalists doing to develop and apply new technologies? As little as possible. In almost every instance industries and their lobbying groups are resisting any changes to business as usual. Now why should this be? The problems that we see looming before us are obvious opportunities to create and apply new and existing technologies and to make great profits for stockholders in the process. Yet our businessmen, unfettered capitalists all, will resist actualizing these opportunities without government mandates --carrots and sticks-- to push them into it. Moreover, unless a critical mass of people demands that something be done, governments, responding to the influence of business, will fail to create either the necessary carrots or sticks to get things moving.
Friends industry will have to dragged kicking and screaming to change its methods, materials and goals. And even more problematic, our world-wide society will have to change its behaviors as will we as individuals. We are all stakeholders in our survival. Debates such as the one linked to above are sterile exercises unless they lead to real-world actions that increase the long-term profits (i.e., the survival)of all of us. I suggest that you don't hold your breath until your utopia comes Chipper. Instead I recommend investment in high elevation real estate.
(PS. Chipper come to the TFFE board sometime. We miss you.)
Open for Discussion
)
I have a theory that the prices of everything will follow suit with those (prices) in the electronics industry, until everything's free.
I look forward to the day a robot serves us drinks and hors d'oeuvres and then asks, “Hey, where's my tip?� And we laugh, and recall the good ol' days when one person's time used to be a little more priceless than the other person's time.
RE: RE: Rethinking the
)
I read a science fiction book back in 2003 about a totally libertarian society living 10000 year years in the future. The society was totaly serviced by artifical intelligence and colonized the solar system. It consisted of family units that basically lived off money earned by their investments and money earned by what intellectual property they developed. Nobody died when a body wore they simply replaced it. Procreation was limited. The society was totally stagnant. Until a rebel thought about explorerring out side the solar system. He was condemmed by the rest of society including the AI (They had a Vote). They stripped him of his property.
I have faith in the human spirit. There will always be a rebel
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
This isn't scifi. I
)
This isn't scifi. I referring to an evolutionary biological inevitability. You won't have to wait thousands of years for it. It will happen soon, within the next fifty years. The economy is a heavy, burdensome behemoth of a dinosaur that simply can't keep up with the pace with technological improvements. Not even the companies with child or prison labor sweat-shops will be able to compete (after the dawn of the age of robotics). And that's a good thing... a very good thing...
I agree we are on the cusp
)
I agree we are on the cusp of a new revolution, Just like the industrial revolution the information revolution changed the way we do business, the robotic revolution with flexible automatic manufacturing systems powered by clean energy
will dramaticly change the way we do business today. There will still be corporations
But I am not that optimistic that technology is the solution to all the problems that business has. Refering to the debate in the article, (The purpose of corporation is to maximize profits for its shareholders). I do support this principle; But until the paradigm changes for that a corporation in long term does maximize its profits for its investors by developing a social conscious, I think will continue to be in world of hurt. Believe me being sor of a libertrian and I do believe in sustainable development I do not believe Government regulations are the answer. Maybe Government incentives.
I don't know:-)
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
I liked the use of the term
)
I liked the use of the term 'stakeholder' in the article. That term is the one that focuses on the heart of the issue.
It's important for businesses to realize what the coming years will bring: the ability (for anyone) to conduct business better and faster, at almost no cost. The businesses that lead the way will be the ones engineering ways to provide goods whose prices to the consumer continually decline, until the boast can finally be made, “...another item has become freely available to the general public, made possible by the clever combination of these processes...�.
The end of 'money' as we know it, will allow researchers to conduct research at no cost, and students to continue education at no cost, and people to house and feed their families at no cost. This will in turn allow growth at no cost.
Growth, in any optimistic scenario, will require efficient use of available space and energy. This includes using the worlds within easy reach, which means a lot of terraforming. Point being, there are many more important things we should be focusing on, besides counting beans. Hopefully it's a given that we should be focusing on how to be better stewards of the world we already have. We need to be able to focus on it, at no cost.
'Money' of the future will be something akin to Nielsen ratings... :)
I like the term stakeholder
)
I like the term stakeholder too. From my own experience, Projects that involved all the stakeholders were successful and under budget. Projects that did not include the needs of all the stakeholders usually involved hugh cost overruns and were usually canned. These projects were really the more riskier financially.
I agree as the cost of doing business will reduce and will be less riskier financially. Corporations will come to realize that involving all the stakeholders(Employees, Vendors, Customers and even the Planet) will maximize their worth. Sorry I can't get my head around not dealing with some form of exchange for goods and services unless it is the barter system.
Let's try to do our part in realizing this, and hope the world does not turn out like William Gibson's Neuromancer - (Libertarianism gone amouk). We need to find a source cheap clean energy
Thank you people for allowing me to vent :-)
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
RE: Sorry I can't get my
)
I think there will always be things worth haggling over. Consider the example of a sold-out show: folks stand in line, camping out for days, for the chance to get tickets, and after that, free-trade of the tickets is free-trade, regardless of the convenient form of cobblestones.
I think businesses should concentrate on taking full advantage of those tools which will enable them to automate every aspect of their business's mission. The businesses providing these tools (robots, CNC machines, automated industrial processes) need to be hiring people, and training them to teach the newer robots and such (or generate programming) to perform ever more sophisticated (human) tasks.
Maybe the robotics companies can help subsidize people who purchase and operate fleets of automated Pizza Hut or Burger King or McDonalds vehicles (oh how I hate it when the human lifts the basket of fries out of the fryer before the timer goes off, because there's a long line at the drive-thru). Maybe some folks will compete for business with their own popular hometown recipes. Could be something as simple as frozen entrees, with a freezer and a microwave on wheels... :)
Actually, if vehicles like that, of various sizes, were zipping all about, and if they were all equipped with cameras, GPS navigation, standard wireless networking, and an embedded security protocol, they would be of immense value to law enforcement...
There will be some growing
)
There will be some growing pains. The up most respect must be given to displaced workers as we move on this road towards automating the more mundane tasks of living and doing business. I believe Corporations who develop a social concsious will give displaced workers the resources to soften the burden, through counseling retraining, and relocation help. Independant small businesses that don't have the resources to do this then govenments at the municipal to the federal level have to step up providing some resources to these displaced workers. Other incentives to keep and attracted new business in depressed areas until many years down the road until the full effect of a fully networked automated society can be realized.
I think planning for this should start soon so as to get the infrastructure in place. I beleive if we let the free market alone handle this transition, there will be a tremendous increase in crime and instability in our communities in the beginning. We will be using our resources inefficently for additional protection of society through more police and prisons.
And another thing I don't think they will ever develop an AI to replace my favorite hotdog vendor who prepares the links and onions with such passion.
I would be willing to pay top cobblestone for my hotdog:-)
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold
Ah, Utopia. Unfettered
)
Ah, Utopia. Unfettered capitalism. Such a lovely idea. As lovely as communism or christianity, and every bit as doctrinaire. People create technology and people create societies in which technology may be used for good or ill. The choices we make, or more importantly, the choices we don't make will determine the future of this planet and our (as well as other) species living on it.
At the moment the odds are pretty good that we have reached, or are rapidly approaching a climatic tipping point that will result in enormous social and economic dislocation with a commensurate increase in human misery. Expecting technology to evolve as quickly as Chipper believes is hopelessly optimistic. Expecting it to be applied in time to prevent these dislocations is even more so.
Given the stubborn resistance of the developed world to act (rather than talk) to implement already existing technologies on the massive scale necessary for remediating the problems of global warming and it's effects; and given the inability (and in many cases the unwillingness) of the developing world to act in this regard means that the near future (50-100 years) will see at the very least inundation of low-lying parts of the world. The disappearance of some nations is likely. Redistribution and intensification of droughts and floods is already beginning to show itself.
All of this is happening now. And what are the unfettered capitalists doing to develop and apply new technologies? As little as possible. In almost every instance industries and their lobbying groups are resisting any changes to business as usual. Now why should this be? The problems that we see looming before us are obvious opportunities to create and apply new and existing technologies and to make great profits for stockholders in the process. Yet our businessmen, unfettered capitalists all, will resist actualizing these opportunities without government mandates --carrots and sticks-- to push them into it. Moreover, unless a critical mass of people demands that something be done, governments, responding to the influence of business, will fail to create either the necessary carrots or sticks to get things moving.
Friends industry will have to dragged kicking and screaming to change its methods, materials and goals. And even more problematic, our world-wide society will have to change its behaviors as will we as individuals. We are all stakeholders in our survival. Debates such as the one linked to above are sterile exercises unless they lead to real-world actions that increase the long-term profits (i.e., the survival)of all of us. I suggest that you don't hold your breath until your utopia comes Chipper. Instead I recommend investment in high elevation real estate.
(PS. Chipper come to the TFFE board sometime. We miss you.)
THE MOTHER OF FOOLS IS ALWAYS PREGNANT
Well.... I got a list of
)
Well.... I got a list of things I can do to exact change in this world. I will do my small part.:-) We are what we do
There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold