Note: Not Requesting new work or reporting results.
6 Nov 2005 22:09:55 UTC
Topic 190128
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I am splitting time between SETI@Home and Einstein. I can't get new work units from Einstein because I get the message in the title ("Note: Not Requesting new work or reporting results."), so Einstein hasn't done anything for a couple of days. BOINC seems to be requesting, and getting, zero work units, followed by this message. Why am I getting this message?
Note: Not Requesting new work or reporting results.
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Have you changed your "Resource share" percent allocation between Seti and Einstein recently? (Or, did Einstein do more than its "fair share" immediately preceding this?) If so, BOINC may just be doing more Seti now in order to balance things out. You might try temporarily suspending Seti. If BOINC downloads an Einstein WU while Seti is suspended, then "balancing out" is likely what is happening.
Fred, I'm sure Stick is
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Fred,
I'm sure Stick is correct in saying that EAH is being prevented from getting more work at the moment because it has already had more than its fair share according to your resource shares that you have allocated.
Since October 30, EAH returned work on Nov 04 and Nov 06. In that same period, your machine has returned 17 Seti WUs. I guess that you are using EAH as a backup project for when Seti doesn't have work and that you perhaps are using a Seti/EAH ratio of around 80/20 or higher in favour of Seti. The two EAH results on Nov 04 and 06 probably mean that Seti is owed a bit more time at the moment. If you would like to give EAH a bit more of a share you could change the ratio to 70/30 for example.
When I was looking you up over at Seti, I noticed you have two identities, one for when you were running classic which was automatically brought into BOINC/Seti and a BOINC/Seti only one which I guess you created when you started running BOINC. I also noticed that your machine has three separate CPUIDs by the look of it. If you really only have one machine over at Seti, you can merge the two older incarnations into the latest one, thereby combining all the credit under one CPUID.
I have a similar, slightly faster, CPU to you, also running both Seti and EAH. Our EAH times are quite similar, yours 34,000 seconds and mine 32,000 seconds. However our Seti times are vastly different, yours 16,000+ seconds and mine 6,300 seconds. Mine does a Seti WU in well under 2 hours as opposed to your 4.5 hours. The difference is that mine is running the optimised Seti application and returning totally valid results in less than half the time. There is plenty of information about the optimised Seti apps on the Seti NC board and it would boost your output considerably if you followed that up. Let me know if you would like more information.
Cheers,
Gary.
Gary, When you get a
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Gary,
When you get a chance, please look at Message boards : Cafe Einstein : "activities suspended" WHY ? I replied initially to what I thought was going to be a simple problem - but now I am not so sure.
Thank you (and Cheers),
Stick
No problems!! I believe
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No problems!! I believe Kathryn had the answer before I got there. I had a few phone calls to distract me but eventually I was able to have a look and write some extra thoughts about it.
Cheers,
Gary.
My resource share is 50 - 50.
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My resource share is 50 - 50. And I did not run an inordinate amount of Einstein so that SETI is just catching up. Einstein simply isn't working and asking for results. In fact, I looked up the Long Term Debt issue, found mine, and found that SETI owed Einstein a whole bunch, and I reset to zero. With respect to my separate identities, I was not allowed to retain my old identity in going from Classic SETI to BOINC because I also had changed email addresses, hence the two different Id's. I have no clue how to merge the Ids. I only have one machine. I will follow up on the optimized SETI settings. However, all of that does not explain what is happening with Einstein not asking for work. I did suspend SETI after reading the below exchange, and Einstein did start working, but I think the LTD thing isn't working right. I reset the LTD yesterday, and now, the BOIC Debt Viewer shows a negative balance for Einstein and a positive balance for SETI of 985190, which tells me SETI owes Einstein, right?
RE: My resource share is 50
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Fred,
I just checked your "Results for computer" and see you have one WU "In Progress". So, obviously, it's working now. Do you have any idea what happened?
Stick
EDIT: Obviously I misread your post - didn't read the "suspend" comment correctly.
RE: I reset the LTD
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Fred,
I'll give you a more detailed response later but for now I need to warn you that you have the debt thing back to front. A negative LTD (particularly one as large as the one you quoted for EAH (-985190) means that this project "owes" that amount of time (nearly 12 days) to Seti. That is why BOINC is refusing to allow EAH to download more work.
You mentioned using BOINC Debt Viewer, which is great for viewing the debt values but you also mentioned "resetting" the debt values. Did you use the "clear debt" button in BoincDV for that? Did you also do so while BOINC was running? Here is what the Readme.txt file for BoincDV says about this:-
The file that contains the debt information is "client_state.xml". There is also a backup called "client_state_prev.xml". Both are in your BOINC folder and both are updated very regularly by BOINC. Can you imagine the mayhem that might ensue if both BOINC and BoincDV were both playing with these files at the same time??
Here is how to solve your problem:-
* Start up BoincDV and you should see the current debt values.
* Use the "clear debt" button to clear the existing debts.
* Close BoincDV.
* Restart BoincDV and verify that the zeroed values for debts are now showing.
* Close BoincDV.
* Optional - using your favourite text editor, open (for viewing only) client_state.xml and go searching for "long_term_debt". Check the values in two separate places (you have two projects). Also observe that you have short_term_debt values as well. The LTDs should be zero.
* Optional - browse the complete file and get a feeling for how BOINC keeps track of the myriad of settings and configuration information.
The optional items are only if you are comfortable with using a text editor like notepad and please be careful not to make any inadvertent changes. It would be wise to do this on a copy of the file rather than the real file if you are unsure.
Cheers,
Gary.
Fred, I promised you a
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Fred,
I promised you a more detailed response so here are some extra comments. Please let us know if you have got Seti and EAH more in balance now.
OK, the resource share is good. The problem is nothing to do with EAH not working properly. The problem is that BOINC controls the flow of work and BOINC has some bad LTD values. They probably got that way when you were trying to examine and reset the values with BoincDV. However it doesn't matter now as long as we get them reset. We can always do it manually if BoincDV didn't work.
OK, please don't think there was any criticism from me. I've been through this myself and I'm just trying to help. The change in email isn't a problem if you just happen to have or can find the 9 digit password that was sent in the old days. You needed it to post on the old Seti message boards. Do you happen to have that password by any chance? If not then I think you are out of luck as far as recovering your classic stats is concerned. I had my password and the thing I enjoyed the most was my low, low UserID of 2768. Sorta proves I've been around for a while :).
If you can confirm that your CPU has SSE2 instructions, I'll give you a link where you can download a drop in replacement for your seti executable that will halve your crunch time. Let me know if you want to go ahead.
Cheers,
Gary.
Thanks. I never interpreted
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Thanks. I never interpreted anything you said as critical, only helpful..
BoincDV didn't work in resetting LTD Values, and they were bad before I ever touched BoincDV. And they are getting worse. I had shut down BOINC before running BOINCDV, but when I shut down BOINCDV and fire it up again, the old LTD values appear. The imbalance is now 1009709.453082 (Einstein negative, SETI positive). So how do I do it manually? I see the settings in the client_state.xml file for both SETI and EINSTEIN but an attempt to change to "0" is ineffective - the old values pop right back up. So what do I do?
CPU-Z says I do have the SSE2 instruction set. As a result of your previous message in this thread, I did download YAOSCW-N-r8.1.zip. I followed the instructions to not accept further work, let SETI report all results, then putting the extracted contents of this ZIP file in the C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\setiathome.berkely.edu folder, then reinstalled BOINC (5.2.6), then resumed the EINSTEIN and SETI apps. I don't know if I did any good - the SETI @HOME app stills says 4.18 in BOINC. Whether it is 4.18 for real, or the 4.11 in the YAOSCW-N-r8.1.zip file, I don't know. It took 2 hours and 11 minutes for the last SETI@home to run to completion, if this is any indication.
RE: I had shut down BOINC
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Did you shut down BOINC or just BOINC Manager? This would happen if you exited the Manager, say using the "red x", without shutting down the daemon (File/Exit) and verifying all had quit via Task Manager...
If you have NO Einstein work on the computer, you can also "suspend" Einstein in BOINC Manager and hit "Reset project" three or four times. This SHOULD help, but no guarantees, I haven't tried that one myself as BOINCDV worked when I needed to do this.