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LHC is one of the three Big Science projects that I know where technology has been pushed to the limit and the project is in trouble for unforeseen problems, The other two projects are the big ITER thermonuclear experiment and the BOEING 787 with its composite materials body. On ITER I have read and article in New Scientist which details its extreme complexity. On the 787 I just read an article in the Los Angeles Times which says the project is two years behind schedule and has overrun its costs. But Boeing has not delivered any plane so far and does not have the money to pay its contractors, so it is not only Boeing that is in trouble. Parts of the plane are being built all over the world and the parts are shipped to a Boeing plant to be assembled. So maybe even high tech has its limits.
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Is the LHC being Sabotaged

Is the LHC being Sabotaged from the Future :-)

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The Collider, The Particle, and the Theory about Fate

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RE: Is the LHC being

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No, it is simply too complex a system. One small fault can bring it down. It has already happened and it can happen again.

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No, it is simply too complex a system. One small fault can bring it down. It has already happened and it can happen again.


Well a scientist theorized it so it has to true:-)

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A monk called Ockham said

A monk called Ockham said once:
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
This is Ockham's Razor and can make short shrift of many theories
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Exactly.... but I bet they

Exactly.... but I bet they have the math to back it up..:-)

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RE: Is the LHC being

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Well they've evidently got alot time on their hands while waiting for the
LHC to work. Publish or perish .....

Some of the associated comments are quite funny. I like this one :

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As if SkyNet didn't have enough to worry about with just John Conner.


and this rather intense looking fellow's plans :

Cheers, Mike.

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I think they are theoretical

I think they are theoretical physicists while LHC is being developed by experimental physicists. There has been a class struggle between the two corporations since the times of Rutherford. Enrico Fermi was one of the few belonging to both, as he did great work in both camps.
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RE: I think they are

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I think they are theoretical physicists while LHC is being developed by experimental physicists. There has been a class struggle between the two corporations since the times of Rutherford. Enrico Fermi was one of the few belonging to both, as he did great work in both camps.
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Why should their be a struggle? Ideally They should complement each other..

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RE: RE: I think they are

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I think they are theoretical physicists while LHC is being developed by experimental physicists. There has been a class struggle between the two corporations since the times of Rutherford. Enrico Fermi was one of the few belonging to both, as he did great work in both camps.
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Why should their be a struggle? Ideally They should complement each other..


Well there's a lot of jokes about the theory/experiment 'divide' in physics.

Do you know the one about the dairy farmer who asked the local physics department for assistance in increasing the milk production of his herd? It was passed along to the theory group. After a while a paper was published that started with : "assume the standard spherical cow .... " :-)

Or the theorists who were trapped inside a room until an experimentalist came along and tried the door handle for them? :-)

Many seminars that I view online ( SLAC, FermiLab ... ) tend to have talks by theorists explaining stuff to experimenters, or astronomers presenting observations to the theorists. I guess it depends on the 'culture' of the institutions.

Cheers, Mike.

( edit ) Another variant is "Consider a spherical cow in vacuum. . . "

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