Gravity varies...

Chris S
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Somewhere in Lyall Watsons excellent book Supernature, it is mentioned that there is somewhere in Europe where "the pebbles sre not anchored on the beach as firmly as they should be..."

Presumably he is referring to a local gravity anomaly?

Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)

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Gravity varies...

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Somewhere in Lyall Watsons excellent book Supernature, it is mentioned that there is somewhere in Europe where "the pebbles sre not anchored on the beach as firmly as they should be..."

Presumably he is referring to a local gravity anomaly?


On October 5 a Russian rocket Rokot should put in orbit from Plesetsk the European Space Agency GOCE satellite (Gravity field and steady Ocean Circulation Explorer) whose mission is to map the Earth gravity field with great accuracy.
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RE: RE: ... Presumably he

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... Presumably he is referring to a local gravity anomaly?

On October 5 a Russian rocket Rokot should put in orbit from Plesetsk the European Space Agency GOCE satellite (Gravity field and steady Ocean Circulation Explorer) whose mission is to map the Earth gravity field with great accuracy.


Is that not already being done by GRACE?

GRACE gravity

Just as interesting is the 'lumpyness' of our moon...

Keep searchin',
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... Presumably he is referring to a local gravity anomaly?

On October 5 a Russian rocket Rokot should put in orbit from Plesetsk the European Space Agency GOCE satellite (Gravity field and steady Ocean Circulation Explorer) whose mission is to map the Earth gravity field with great accuracy.

Is that not already being done by GRACE?

GRACE gravity

Just as interesting is the 'lumpyness' of our moon...

Keep searchin',
Martin


GOCE will orbit at at lower altitude (260 km instead of 500 km of GRACE) and since there will be still an atmospheric drag at that height GOCE is provided with an electric thrust engine, powered by solar cells,to maintain it in altitude and it has also wings, so it resembles an airplane more than a satellite. It is red colored and the project engineers call it the "Ferrari of space". Hope all goes well.

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Thanks for the info, going to

Thanks for the info, going to be interesting to see the results. According to Grace the variation is no more than +/- 60 millionths of normal, didn't realise it was so small.

Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)

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Ah, so this is the

Ah, so this is the terrestrial version of 'mass-cons' ( mass concentrations ) that were discovered with the moon missions. With Apollo there was no air so the speed ups and slow downs ( compared to the assumption of a uniform density sphere ) could be sensed right down to surface. Not a trivial issue if you want to do a spot of rendezvousing.

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Here on Earth we have the

Here on Earth we have the oceans, whose density varies with temperature. So GOCE should be useful in watching also oceanic circulation, as its acronym implies. Really a very interesting satellite, I hope it launches well. The launcher had some problems and the launch was delayed already.
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RE: Here on Earth we have

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Here on Earth we have the oceans, whose density varies with temperature. So GOCE should be useful in watching also oceanic circulation, as its acronym implies. Really a very interesting satellite, I hope it launches well. The launcher had some problems and the launch was delayed already.
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Yes, the variation is likely quite complex. You'd hopefully get a quicker and more complete data set than surface traversals with gravitometers. I think a bit of that sort of thing was done with Magellan at Venus too ....

Cheers, Mike.

( edit ) At a glance it looks like they are effectively measuring the gravity field gradient over the scale of the difference in position between each of the satellites. With this set of differentials, you could integrate ( to within a constant offset ) to get the field value. Neat idea of swapping over the leading for the trailing satellite mid-mission - a clever 'control' in the experiment. Gosh there's some smart bunnies out there.

( edit ) Oh my goodness, they are modeling the geode to within about a centimeter with spherical harmonics out to order 160! Newton would delight in this - he did calculations based on the Earths oblate sphericity ( 'fatter' around the equator, 'flatter' at the poles ) which is of order 1!

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You are talking about the

You are talking about the twin GRACE satellites, I believe. GOCE ha still to launch and, with its lower orbit, should provide even better data. I foresee a big problem in data processing, the data output should be huge. Cloud computing, anyone? Cheers.
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RE: You are talking about

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You are talking about the twin GRACE satellites, I believe. GOCE ha still to launch and, with its lower orbit, should provide even better data. I foresee a big problem in data processing, the data output should be huge. Cloud computing, anyone? Cheers.
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Quite right. GOCE measures the gradient in three axes, with position provided by GPS and laser. A full blooded direct construction of a vector field.

Cheers, Mike.

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You are talking about the twin GRACE satellites, I believe. GOCE ha still to launch and, with its lower orbit, should provide even better data. I foresee a big problem in data processing, the data output should be huge. Cloud computing, anyone? Cheers.
Tullio

Quite right. GOCE measures the gradient in three axes, with position provided by GPS and laser. A full blooded direct construction of a vector field.

Cheers, Mike.


GOCE has just reached orbit.
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