First time mac user

MarkF
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Michael Yea, I understood

Michael
Yea, I understood what you meant. I think I have got working now. Just took me a while to figure out how my new fruit works.

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RE: Yea, I understood what

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Yea, I understood what you meant. I think I have got working now.

I have not looked at the newer MacNN optimized BOINC Clients, but it used to be quite difficult to install them if you were running the Full GUI version on a Mac. It was NOT a matter of putting them in the BOINC folder, as it is on Windows, because the Mac versions are bundled as a "package" application, not as separate components loose in the folder...

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=19475#162182 is the instructions I had to use to get it to work. If this is no longer necessary, that's great, but if what you've done isn't working, you can see if this is what you need.

Michael Roycraft
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Bill, Thanks for bailing

Bill,

Thanks for bailing me out there. Hard to be a guide in a foreign country if you've never visited there. All I can do is try.

microcraft
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice" - MLK

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RE: Hard to be a guide in a

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Hard to be a guide in a foreign country if you've never visited there.

Mac Mini. Built for "switchers". $499 if you already have a USB keyboard/mouse and a monitor sitting around. :-)

To really answer the question, I'll need to go check the MacNN site and see what's there now. If they've done the work of putting their optimized client inside the BOINC Manager "package", then it's a simple replacement. If it's still a raw binary compiled file, then the instructions Shaktai wrote up should work. Either way, hopefully Mark will get it working!

Mark, if you have trouble, post back here, and I'll see it _fairly_ soon...

MarkF
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Bill Thanks, In the end I did

Bill
Thanks, In the end I did perrty much what your link suggested. While the Boinc client seemed to run fine the Einstein app took 7+ hours to complete each WU (it appears the boinc app is not using the optimized science app). I wouldn't mind evening out the claimed credit but would prefer to run optimized sceince app

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RE: it appears the boinc

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it appears the boinc app is not using the optimized science app

I'm not sure what happened, but I can guarantee that the optimized app WAS still being run - it's the only one that exists for Mac...

MarkF
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Bill I thought it should be

Bill
I thought it should be based on what I have read. Even after I switched back to the standard 5.2.13 full gui boinc I am still getting ~7 hour run times for the WUs. I was about to try the command line version.
I did have the 4.4 gui installed before and did an overlay of 5.2. Anyone think it would be worthwhile to delete the current install and startover.

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RE: I am still getting ~7

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I am still getting ~7 hour run times for the WUs.

Okay... first, 7 hours isn't an unreasonable time. I know you've got a Quad G5, but _each_ result can only run on one CPU, it's just that you can do 4 results in that 7 hours. Your results page doesn't go back very far - were you getting "less than 7 hours" times before? My Mini takes 8 hours per WU - I would definitely expect a G5 to be 'faster', but realize that Altivec is a "G4" thing - the G5 being from IBM instead of Motorola, relies on a slightly different approach; better overall, because the clock speed is higher, but it gets somewhat less benefit from Altivec-specific code; I would NOT expect it to be twice as fast as the Mini on Einstein, even though the clock speed says it should be. (On other projects, without Altivec, it probably would be twice as fast.) I really don't know what to expect from a G5, i'd have to go hunting to find others to compare yours to before I'd worry about the 7 hour times.

If you had lower times before, or can find another G5 (single, dual, or quad) at about the same clock speed and compare times, then we can look into that. Also, based on when I did have a G5 dual (very early one, and air not liquid cooled), the "performance vs. energy" settings should be looked at; if I had that set to where it didn't sound like a wind tunnel, it throttled back quite a bit. Run it up to max, it'd run great, but I couldn't be in the same room with it for long.

Second, I'd say you definitely DON'T need the optimized BOINC Client. Without it, you're requesting around 80-90 credits/result, which is already a bit high. With it, it looks like you were requesting over 300 credits!!! I on the other hand _should_ be running it, as I'm only requesting around 43 credits, but I can't, as I'm running Rosetta as well, on the same Mac.

MarkF
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Bill There is another

Bill
There is another powermac11,2 I am comparing my results to. Checkout knightrider in the list of top computers, he is currently number 1 (except for the two bogus entries).

Where would I find performance vs power setting?

capnrob97
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Wow, a quad G5, I am jealous

Wow, a quad G5, I am jealous :)

I still say the best bang for the buck is the mac mini G4 on E@H... 8 hr +/- per WU, cheap power requirements, quiet to run... My 1.5 G4s are running neck-and-neck with my 3.0 P4 running 2 cores via HT credit wise...

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