# Description prototype of idea to make good use of the capillarity of the liquids to accomplish circulation of the same without need of energy outside.

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Description prototype of idea to make good use of the capillarity of the liquids to accomplish circulation of the same without need of energy outside.
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The written present will try to describe an idea that carries quite a while hovering around my head,

In one only line:

It would be tried to make good use of the capillarity of the liquids to accomplish a movement of the same without need of external energy,

The idea happened joined several data, ( as D.Quijote would say, I am not very versed in the noble art to join ideas that have nothing to see that, for a sure thing to get to something, neither you will have no importance )

On the one hand that trees utilize the capillarity to be done to that the learned person within the trunks to the sheets circulate, ( the trees that accomplish it with many meters of altitude exist )

That the insects that make good use of the surface tension of the water to walk on top without sinking exist,

The fact that you make out this tension of a needle steel remain on the surface of a liquid without sinking,

In addition, if a very fine tube gets in ( capillary ) a liquid ( water down for example ) the level of this liquid within the tube rises without no intervention outside ( in relation to the level of the rest of the liquid ).

My idea is basically to make good use of this force to be done to that he circulate I sell out,

As I come up with the idea of making good use of this force,

If we departed from a water surface, ( for example )

We will have a surface of I liquidate everything on the same level

If we introduce in a part one you deemed hair as ( very fine ) the level of the liquid in this tube capillarity you will rise in show of fine that it be this tube, ( some 30 centimeters with 0.1 cm's capillary. )

Next we put a coarse tube, the level of liquid into this second tube practically in another part of the liquid not vary,

If now we joined these two pipes with one I deposit cigar shop that join the two pipes, nothing would not initially happen,

Now I lay superior on top of this we do depression ( negative pressure, aspiring )

This will do than the two levels of liquid go up the same height, ( but departing from different heights,

The wit of the subject is than according to my theory to depart of several levels of liquid the level of the fine tube overflow before the coarse tube catch up with the top,

What we would create a circulation with of I sell out,

This is my idea,

It works ' I believe than if, do not have enough means they have not even known how to tell me knowledge of physics of fluids to corroborate it, to the physiques that I have attended he why it would work or no,

In order that you would be able to suit someone's purposes, for whatever you need movement of liquids, for example to refrigerate computers without need of bombs of movement,

In order to produce movements of liquids, to move an alternator, and producing some energy, for some appliance that you need electric power and that you not have access to solar energy ( seismographs at grottoes ) for example.

And if we get crudely to move any one of the waterwheels than the knight of the sad countenance ( D. Quijote ) that you saw like terrible spells in his adventures.

In short, I hope that approve of my idea.

In any event it is an idea that would be able to be useful for to somebody else forward new developments.

A greeting

Juan Carlos Alvaro JimÃ©nez , IBM

83888446-[at]-es.ibm.com
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DescripciÃ³n prototipo de â€˜ideaâ€™ para aprovechar la capilaridad de los lÃ­quidos para realizar circulaciÃ³n de los mismos sin necesidad de energÃ­a exterior.

El presente escrito intentarÃ¡ describir una idea que lleva bastante tiempo â€˜rondandoâ€™ mi cabeza,

En una solo lÃ­nea:

Se tratarÃ­a de aprovechar la capilaridad de los lÃ­quidos para realizar un movimiento de los mismos sin necesidad de energÃ­a externa,

La idea surgiÃ³ â€˜juntado â€˜ varios datos, ( como D.Quijote dirÃ­a, no estoy muy versado en el noble arte de unir ideas que no tienen nada que ver, para lo mÃ¡s seguro de llegar a algo, que tampoco tendrÃ¡ ninguna importancia)

Por un lado que los Ã¡rboles utilizan la capilaridad para hacer que circule la sabia dentro de los troncos hasta las hojas, ( existen Ã¡rboles que lo realizan con muchos metros de altitud)

Que existen insectos que aprovechan la tensiÃ³n superficial del agua para â€˜andarâ€™ por encima sin hundirse,

Que gracias a esta tensiÃ³n hace que una aguja de acero se quede en la superficie de un liquido sin hundirse,

Por otro lado, si se introduce un tubo muy fino ( capilar) en un liquido ( agua por ejemplo) el nivel de este liquido dentro del tubo sube sin ninguna intervenciÃ³n exterior ( respecto al nivel del resto del liquido).

Mi idea es bÃ¡sicamente aprovechar esta fuerza para hacer que circule Ã©l liquido,

Como se me ocurre 'aprovechar' esta fuerza,

Si partimos de una superficie de agua, ( por ejemplo)

Tendremos una superficie de liquido toda al mismo nivel

Si introducimos en una parte un tuvo capilar ( muy fino) por capilaridad el nivel del liquido en este tubo subirÃ¡ en funciÃ³n de lo fino que sea este tubo, ( unos 30 centÃ­metros con un capilar de 0,1 cm. )

Luego en otra parte del liquido introducimos un tubo grueso, el nivel de liquido en este segundo tubo prÃ¡cticamente no variara,

Si ahora unimos estos dos tubos con un deposito estanco que junte los dos tubos, inicialmente no pasarÃ­a nada,

Ahora sobre este deposito superior hacemos â€˜depresiÃ³nâ€™ ( presiÃ³n negativa, aspirando)

Esto harÃ¡ que los dos niveles de liquido asciendan la misma altura, ( pero partiendo de alturas distintas,

La â€˜gracia â€˜ del asunto es que segÃºn mi teorÃ­a al partir de distintos niveles de liquido el nivel del tubo fino â€˜rebosaraâ€™ antes de que el tubo grueso alcance la parte de arriba,

Con lo que creariamos una circulaciÃ³n de liquido,

Esta es mi idea,

Â¿ Funciona Â¿ â€˜yo creo que si, no tengo suficientes medios ni conocimiento de fÃ­sica de fluidos para corroborarlo, a los fÃ­sicos que he acudido no me han sabido decir Ã©l por que funcionaria o no,

Para que podrÃ­a servir, para cualquier cosa que necesite movimiento de lÃ­quidos, por ejemplo para refrigerar ordenadores sin necesidad de bombas de movimiento,

Para producir movimientos de lÃ­quidos, para mover un alternador, y producir un poco de energÃ­a, para algÃºn aparato que necesite energÃ­a elÃ©ctrica y que no tenga acceso a energÃ­a solar ( sismÃ³grafos en grutas) por ejemplo.

Y si nos ponemos â€˜a lo brutoâ€™ para mover alguna de las norias que el caballero de la triste figura ( D. Quijote) que vio como terribles encantamientos en sus aventuras.

En fin, espero que les parezca bien mi idea.

En cualquier caso es una idea que podrÃ­a servir a alguien mÃ¡s adelante para nuevos desarrollos.

Un saludo

Juan Carlos Alvaro JimÃ©nez , IBM

83888446-[at]-es.ibm.com

Â® IBM es una marca registrada de International Business Machines

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### Description prototype of idea to make good use of the capillarit

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Description prototype of idea to make good use of the capillarity of the liquids to accomplish circulation of the same without need of energy outside.
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The written present will try to describe an idea that carries quite a while hovering around my head,

In one only line:

It would be tried to make good use of the capillarity of the liquids to accomplish a movement of the same without need of external energy, ...

OK:

Why?

"Perpetual motion"?

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### Good morning. Thank you

Good morning.

Thank you for your attention.

No, it could be taking advantage of a potential energy, the difference of height of liquid,

To carry out movement, it would be about transforming potential energy into kinetics.

( I believe, not you if it really works, I don't have enough knowledge )

The trees use capillarity to go up the wise one to the leaves.
As I believe, there are trees of the amazonia that ascend wise until their superior leaves, at distances of the floor that theoretically cannot be reached by capillarity. ??????
Do they use capillarity to go up tons of liquids from the floor to the leaves???? I believe that if.

A greeting and thank you for your interest.

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Buenos dÃ­as.

Muchas gracias por tu atenciÃ³n.

No, podrÃ­a ser el aprovechar una energÃ­a potencial, la diferencia de altura de lÃ­quido,

Para realizar movimiento, se tratarÃ­a de convertir energia potencial en cinetica.

( creo , no se si realmente funciona, no tengo suficientes conocimientos )

Los Ã¡rboles utilizan capilaridad para subir la sabia a las hojas.
SegÃºn creo, hay Ã¡rboles de la amazonia que suben sabia hasta sus hojas superiores, a distancias del suelo que teÃ³ricamente no se pueden alcanzar por capilaridad. ??????
Utilizan capilaridad para subir toneladas de liquidos desde el suelo a las hojas ???? creo que si .

Un saludo y muchas gracias por tu interes.

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### RE: No, it could be taking

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No, it could be taking advantage of a potential energy, the difference of height of liquid,

To carry out movement, it would be about transforming potential energy into kinetics.

Capillary action is interesting!

So... Does the 'wicking' effect of for example a candle wick to fuel a flame form a "perpetual motion" machine?

Where does the energy come from to endlessly pull up an endless supply of fuel?...

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The trees use capillarity to go up the wise one to the leaves.
As I believe, there are trees of the amazonia that ascend wise until their superior leaves, at distances of the floor that theoretically cannot be reached by capillarity. ??????

See Transpirational pull. All it needs is for the capillaries to be narrow enough...

So where is the energy driving the water up the tubes there?

More 'perpetual motion'?

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### Good morning. To begin, if

Good morning.

To begin, if Einstein had said it cannot be, he would not have made anything.

Me not you much of physics, but neither I am him/her afraid to anything, neither I give of course that anything is impossible, or that it is not it.

This 'madness' not you if it works or not, but it is not something metallic rotating around an axis that gives birth to the friction of the air.

It would be about taking advantage of a property of the liquids, the capillarity, makes that two surfaces of I liquidate they are in balance to different heights, to attempt that he/she takes advantage this difference of height like kinetic energy.

A form of expressing it, if when putting a capillary tube and I liquidate it goes up this, until a height X, will ascend and it will be in balance,
If we break this tube for the half the level of I liquidate it didn't happen, this clearing, of this height of the tube, was formed a drop that won't break,
The level of liquid would spread to ascend until the initial level, he/she won't make it because there is not tube.
If we help to this drop to break my (depression) theory it is that this I liquidate it will spread to recover their initial height X, - > it will circulate.

This is my 'madness' at least it is curious.

A greeting and thank you.

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Buenos dÃ­as.

Para empezar, si Einstein hubiera dicho no puede ser, no habrÃ­a hecho nada.

Yo no se mucho de fÃ­sica, pero tampoco le tengo miedo a nada, ni doy por supuesto que nada es imposible, o que no lo es.

Esta â€˜locuraâ€™ no se si funciona o no, pero no es algo metÃ¡lico girando alrededor de un eje, que pare el rozamiento del aire.

Se tratarÃ­a de aprovechar una propiedad de los lÃ­quidos, la capilaridad, hace que dos superficies de liquido se encuentren en equilibrio a distintas alturas, para intentar que se aproveche esta diferencia de altura como energÃ­a cinÃ©tica.

Una forma de expresarlo, si al meter un tubo capilar e liquido sube este, hasta una altura X, subirÃ¡ y quedarÃ¡ en equilibrio,
Si rompemos este tubo por la mitad el nivel de liquido no pasara, esta claro, de esta altura del tubo, se formara una gota que no se rompera,
El nivel de lÃ­quido tenderÃ­a a subir hasta el nivel inicial, no lo harÃ¡ porque no hay tubo.
Si ayudamos a esta gota a romperse ( depresiÃ³n ) mi teorÃ­a es que este liquido tenderÃ¡ a recuperar su altura inicial X, -> circularÃ¡.

Esta es mi â€˜locuraâ€™ al menos es curiosa.

Un saludo y muchas gracias.

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