Having had a brief look at that last link, why am I not surprised to see a certain character at the center of another controversy.
Personally, and several of you know the stance I took with the whole SETI 5.12 application, I think that he's getting beat up over short-sightedness of the project. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see a violation of the anonymous platform mechanism. If the results are not valid, then yeah, I'd be against it, but otherwise this is all a "I feel it's not fair", which is based on emotional arguments, not logical arguments...
I think everyone needs to step back and think about the concept of:
At this point all I can say is Wow... after spending some time on the boards of other projects and seeing so very many discussions of credit, I'm now firmly in the camp of those that would just rather the entire subject of credit goes away. As far as I'm concerned every project should just count whatever they want to count if they want to have something to count and be done with it.
I'm just sickened by how the subject of cross-project parity and credit in general seems to only bring out the worst, ugliest and most offensive behavior in otherwise seemingly normal people. How the pursuit of credit will cause some to engage in activities that are ultimately damaging and destructive to the very projects that grant it to them.
I just don't care anymore if credit is a motivation for some people to participate in BOINC projects because I have to imagine that the discussion of the subject of credit is demotivating just as many by now.
I know I've said it before, but after the last 2 days, I am finally and truly DONE with the subject. Mostly because I would rather remain ignorant of the depths of deplorable insults that some will resort to over such an utterly meaningless subject. I'm sure my curiosity will get the better of me and I'll forget and click into some credit discussion in the future, but I'm also equally sure that my sense of disgust will make me leave it just as quickly.
I know I've said it before, but after the last 2 days, I am finally and truly DONE with the subject. Mostly because I would rather remain ignorant of the depths of deplorable insults that some will resort to over such an utterly meaningless subject. I'm sure my curiosity will get the better of me and I'll forget and click into some credit discussion in the future, but I'm also equally sure that my sense of disgust will make me leave it just as quickly.
Yup, that's me, too! At least I hope my sense of disgust makes me leave!
I think my CPU seconds per Credit has nearly doubled between R3 (56.8) and R4 (107.6). But, I'm not complaining. I wouldn't want to have to try to work out something like cross project parity on credits. To many hardware and software issues. I just enjoy playin' with my credit numbers.
select max(Finishtime1), min(finishtime1), count(FinishTime1), avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) from setidatabase where HostID1 = 997488 AND WUname like '%S5R3%' and Finishtime1 > 0 and tag_date > 20080501000000;
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| max(Finishtime1) | min(finishtime1) | count(FinishTime1) | avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| 16951.30078125 | 11975.639648438 | 4976 | 56.785460966691 |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
1 row in set (0.11 sec)
mysql> select max(Finishtime1), min(finishtime1), count(FinishTime1), avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) from setidatabase where HostID1 = 997488 AND WUname like '%S5R4%' and Finishtime1 > 0 and tag_date > 20080501000000;
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| max(Finishtime1) | min(finishtime1) | count(FinishTime1) | avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| 27081.900390625 | 21434.94921875 | 270 | 107.59177619626 |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
1 row in set (0.08 sec)
I'm not exactly sure how SQL calculates the average. If it is sum(All finish times) / sum( all credit) or average(all the individual time/credits).
I figure about 20000 sec per R4 task divided by about 200 credits and that is around 100 sec per credit roughly. So I stand by the 107 sec per R4 credit for now. Am I missing something big???
RE: Having had a brief look
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I assume you aren't referring to Duddits? ;-)
SSDP... :-)
Alinator
RE: Having had a brief look
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Personally, and several of you know the stance I took with the whole SETI 5.12 application, I think that he's getting beat up over short-sightedness of the project. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see a violation of the anonymous platform mechanism. If the results are not valid, then yeah, I'd be against it, but otherwise this is all a "I feel it's not fair", which is based on emotional arguments, not logical arguments...
I think everyone needs to step back and think about the concept of:
"Innocent until proven guilty"
At this point all I can say
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At this point all I can say is Wow... after spending some time on the boards of other projects and seeing so very many discussions of credit, I'm now firmly in the camp of those that would just rather the entire subject of credit goes away. As far as I'm concerned every project should just count whatever they want to count if they want to have something to count and be done with it.
I'm just sickened by how the subject of cross-project parity and credit in general seems to only bring out the worst, ugliest and most offensive behavior in otherwise seemingly normal people. How the pursuit of credit will cause some to engage in activities that are ultimately damaging and destructive to the very projects that grant it to them.
I just don't care anymore if credit is a motivation for some people to participate in BOINC projects because I have to imagine that the discussion of the subject of credit is demotivating just as many by now.
I know I've said it before, but after the last 2 days, I am finally and truly DONE with the subject. Mostly because I would rather remain ignorant of the depths of deplorable insults that some will resort to over such an utterly meaningless subject. I'm sure my curiosity will get the better of me and I'll forget and click into some credit discussion in the future, but I'm also equally sure that my sense of disgust will make me leave it just as quickly.
I could not agree more.
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I could not agree more.
Bikeman
RE: I could not agree more.
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Well, that's good, because unfortunately if you did agree more, you wouldn't get any more credit for it... :-P
RE: I know I've said it
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Yup, that's me, too! At least I hope my sense of disgust makes me leave!
RE: RE: I could not agree
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I think my CPU seconds per
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I think my CPU seconds per Credit has nearly doubled between R3 (56.8) and R4 (107.6). But, I'm not complaining. I wouldn't want to have to try to work out something like cross project parity on credits. To many hardware and software issues. I just enjoy playin' with my credit numbers.
select max(Finishtime1), min(finishtime1), count(FinishTime1), avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) from setidatabase where HostID1 = 997488 AND WUname like '%S5R3%' and Finishtime1 > 0 and tag_date > 20080501000000;
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| max(Finishtime1) | min(finishtime1) | count(FinishTime1) | avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| 16951.30078125 | 11975.639648438 | 4976 | 56.785460966691 |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
1 row in set (0.11 sec)
mysql> select max(Finishtime1), min(finishtime1), count(FinishTime1), avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) from setidatabase where HostID1 = 997488 AND WUname like '%S5R4%' and Finishtime1 > 0 and tag_date > 20080501000000;
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| max(Finishtime1) | min(finishtime1) | count(FinishTime1) | avg(Finishtime1/WUcredit) |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| 27081.900390625 | 21434.94921875 | 270 | 107.59177619626 |
+------------------+------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
1 row in set (0.08 sec)
I'm not exactly sure how SQL calculates the average. If it is sum(All finish times) / sum( all credit) or average(all the individual time/credits).
Hmmm... Are you sure about
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Hmmm...
Are you sure about that?
A cursory examination of the Host Summary looks like you went from the 60 per hour range for R3 to the 30 ballpark for R4.
Alinator
I figure about 20000 sec per
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I figure about 20000 sec per R4 task divided by about 200 credits and that is around 100 sec per credit roughly. So I stand by the 107 sec per R4 credit for now. Am I missing something big???