My issue with rosetta that i posted comments about the way this projects give credits on a not fair way, all c2d intel machines get double amounts of points for the same work as a amd/p4 has done (9000 seconds of work on what ever machine must be rewarded the same in my opinion)
If projects start to favor cpu's and reward double the amount then for me that's not acceptable.
And even worse if i post on the forums about this or anyone who does give their opion it gets deleted by the admins.
For me if i can't even express my ideas or not being able to address an unfair situation or a bug or whatever and it gets deleted this projects are not worth my expenssive paided electra nor my time, effort and money.
In many cases i spended thousands of hours running alpha's and beta's and lost thousands of credits by crashing boinc or clients.
So yes when that happens to me like they did by rosetta i drop that project forever.
Second rosetta has no x64 version if it has a version who runs on x64 it will be 32 bit app running in x64 boinc like riesel sieve, seti and leiden classical.
But i haven't seen on any forum that any project has a real 64 app, the only i know who is testing is riesel sieve ( the problem with windows 64 seems complex)
PS: (Seems i have this (RS beta X64) running and i can say its about double so fast as the normal app) now lets see if it keeps running stable.
At this point i found out that it don't like reboots
I don't think it's fair to award crdits based only on CPU seconds run. A Pentium I would get the same credits as a Core 2 Duo per day, although the latter can crunch more workunits per time period. I think it's only fair that faster machines get higher credits per hour, as they can produce more "science results" per hour, so to speak.
My issue with rosetta that i posted comments about the way this projects give credits on a not fair way, all c2d intel machines get double amounts of points for the same work as a amd/p4 has done (9000 seconds of work on what ever machine must be rewarded the same in my opinion)
If projects start to favor cpu's and reward double the amount then for me that's not acceptable.
I don't think it's fair to award crdits based only on CPU seconds run. A Pentium I would get the same credits as a Core 2 Duo per day, although the latter can crunch more workunits per time period. I think it's only fair that faster machines get higher credits per hour, as they can produce more "science results" per hour, so to speak.
CU
BRM
Rosetta issues server based credits (like Einstein has been the last few months), no longer using the old system of credits awarded per benchmarks. I agree with Bikeman that faster boxes should earn more credit than slower ones because the faster ones are doing more calculations (per hour or whatever) than the slower ones. And the server based crediting IMO reflects that nicely. Of course, there are some credit "per hour" differences between projects...
it's july and still no platform :| i have the same problem but it's a good/bad situation.. i got the credit for the work done but in boinc is still the message ready to upload..
so is there a date when the x64 support is to be launched?
i found a trick if you want to switched back to x86 platform.
you have to install boinc x86 and then copy the boinc directory from Program Files ,not Program Files (x86), to another place (a backup if something gose wrong).
change in this backup files client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml. Open with notepad and Find all words where it's written platform. It should be windows_intelx86 not windows_x86_64. Save and exit. Copy these files in directory Boinc from Program Files (x86). Copy from Program Files\\Boinc directory \\slots, \\projects and files > account_climateprediction.net.xml (all files with "account_". Do not copy acct_mgr_login.xml, acct_mgr_reply.xml, acct_mgr_request.xml, acct_mgr_url.xml - these are files to connect to your account. You will need to reattach), all "master_" files and "sched_" files. If you want to see your statistics in the newly installed boinc you have to copy "statistics_" files.
I'm not english so if anyone know how to write it better, do it :p
I see. So why not just install the 32bit BOINC then?
For what will happen now if Einstein changes its back-end to the latest server software and gives out a 64bit application, is that it will send you the 32bit application at all times. Never the 64bit application. Not unless you detach from Einstein and reattach to it.
The same goes for any other project you are already attached to. By saying to find all places where it says platform and changing the name there from x86_64 to intelx86 you tell people to always download only the 32bit application. And then there will be some who don't understand why their BOINC all of a sudden only downloads the 32bit app instead of the readily available 64bit app and they will complain at the forums of thus and so project.
So um, please, best not do it. Either be patient and wait for Einstein to update their server software version, or if you need to be attached to Einstein, run a 32bit BOINC for now.
well i made this change because after installing boinc x86 the boinc x64 remained in Program Files. in win x64 there are two program files. boinc x86 will install it components in Program Files (x86) and boinc x64 in Program Files .. so you work will never update. when you copy boinc work from x64 to x86 it sends platform changed and it resets your entire work. so if you want to report the work and get credit i think this trick is the solution till einstein server will function with x64 platform
RE: My issue with rosetta
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I don't think it's fair to award crdits based only on CPU seconds run. A Pentium I would get the same credits as a Core 2 Duo per day, although the latter can crunch more workunits per time period. I think it's only fair that faster machines get higher credits per hour, as they can produce more "science results" per hour, so to speak.
CU
BRM
RE: RE: My issue with
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Rosetta issues server based credits (like Einstein has been the last few months), no longer using the old system of credits awarded per benchmarks. I agree with Bikeman that faster boxes should earn more credit than slower ones because the faster ones are doing more calculations (per hour or whatever) than the slower ones. And the server based crediting IMO reflects that nicely. Of course, there are some credit "per hour" differences between projects...
it's july and still no
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it's july and still no platform :| i have the same problem but it's a good/bad situation.. i got the credit for the work done but in boinc is still the message ready to upload..
so is there a date when the x64 support is to be launched?
i found a trick if you want
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i found a trick if you want to switched back to x86 platform.
you have to install boinc x86 and then copy the boinc directory from Program Files ,not Program Files (x86), to another place (a backup if something gose wrong).
change in this backup files client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml. Open with notepad and Find all words where it's written platform. It should be windows_intelx86 not windows_x86_64. Save and exit. Copy these files in directory Boinc from Program Files (x86). Copy from Program Files\\Boinc directory \\slots, \\projects and files > account_climateprediction.net.xml (all files with "account_". Do not copy acct_mgr_login.xml, acct_mgr_reply.xml, acct_mgr_request.xml, acct_mgr_url.xml - these are files to connect to your account. You will need to reattach), all "master_" files and "sched_" files. If you want to see your statistics in the newly installed boinc you have to copy "statistics_" files.
I'm not english so if anyone know how to write it better, do it :p
RE: i found a trick I
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I see. So why not just install the 32bit BOINC then?
For what will happen now if Einstein changes its back-end to the latest server software and gives out a 64bit application, is that it will send you the 32bit application at all times. Never the 64bit application. Not unless you detach from Einstein and reattach to it.
The same goes for any other project you are already attached to. By saying to find all places where it says platform and changing the name there from x86_64 to intelx86 you tell people to always download only the 32bit application. And then there will be some who don't understand why their BOINC all of a sudden only downloads the 32bit app instead of the readily available 64bit app and they will complain at the forums of thus and so project.
So um, please, best not do it. Either be patient and wait for Einstein to update their server software version, or if you need to be attached to Einstein, run a 32bit BOINC for now.
well i made this change
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well i made this change because after installing boinc x86 the boinc x64 remained in Program Files. in win x64 there are two program files. boinc x86 will install it components in Program Files (x86) and boinc x64 in Program Files .. so you work will never update. when you copy boinc work from x64 to x86 it sends platform changed and it resets your entire work. so if you want to report the work and get credit i think this trick is the solution till einstein server will function with x64 platform