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RE: RE: Apparently

24 May 2016 4:01:39 UTC
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    Apparently "nowinstock.net" shows how quickly items become unavailable once they become available.

    Interesting that the real action there is shown on May 20, three days ago, but varying times of the day for different models at different sellers.

    I have myself signed up for Newegg's notification on all six brands, and did not receive any messages.

    We'll see what Friday brings. I think NVidia wants a first day image rather like the lines snaking out of selling points for Harry Potter books on first day, as the image of frantic demand may help build sales enthusiasm. But they'll want to have guessed the demand well enough to meet much of it relatively soon.

    I think you're right. I live in a small town that, for some reason, has an equally small Best Buy. If there is any chance to find one on a store shelf Friday, it is probably there. I think I'll visit them tomorrow and ask if they have any inbound.

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    No luck at Best Buy. Although

    24 May 2016 22:56:28 UTC
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      No luck at Best Buy. Although the young man working there was aware of the GTX 1080 and how popular it was, the system said none available, and he had no way of knowing if this meant they would not get any, or if none were available because it hadn't been formally released. Given that the only video cards on the shelf were a pair of overclocked EVGA 950's, I'm not hopeful.

      It's so odd, watching this slow death of retail. I know a video card is a specialty component that you can't sell to just anyone with an office computer from Wal-mart, but I'm sure they could have sold ten on day one -- even if they just went to be re-sold on eBay.

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      RE: Given that the only

      24 May 2016 23:11:01 UTC
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        Given that the only video cards on the shelf were a pair of overclocked EVGA 950's, I'm not hopeful.


        If it were sort of place which stocked and sold 980 Ti cards, I'd think your chances much better. But I'm not sure how many such places there are these days. Most folks I know buy this sort of stuff from NewEgg, or more recently, from Amazon.

        Some years ago, when Intel would roll out a new line of CPU they would actually arrange for shelf stock of systems containing the new CPU to be ready for instant appearance overnight at places like Best Buy on release date. I don't know in detail what threats they had available to constrain folks from jumping the gun, but they must have been formidable, as generally the gun was not jumped much.

        For what it is worth, my personal guess is that the "already over first day sellout" story was a misinterpretation, and that appreciable stock at both NewEgg and Amazon will be committed to orders Friday. I won't guess what hour of the day release is (it seems to have been 9 a.m. Eastern time for the review embargo, but this could be different), nor how many minutes after that release time initial stock will cover.

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        RE: RE: Given that the

        24 May 2016 23:27:12 UTC
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          Given that the only video cards on the shelf were a pair of overclocked EVGA 950's, I'm not hopeful.

          If it were sort of place which stocked and sold 980 Ti cards, I'd think your chances much better. But I'm not sure how many such places there are these days. Most folks I know buy this sort of stuff from NewEgg, or more recently, from Amazon.

          Some years ago, when Intel would roll out a new line of CPU they would actually arrange for shelf stock of systems containing the new CPU to be ready for instant appearance overnight at places like Best Buy on release date. I don't know in detail what threats they had available to constrain folks from jumping the gun, but they must have been formidable, as generally the gun was not jumped much.

          For what it is worth, my personal guess is that the "already over first day sellout" story was a misinterpretation, and that appreciable stock at both NewEgg and Amazon will be committed to orders Friday. I won't guess what hour of the day release is (it seems to have been 9 a.m. Eastern time for the review embargo, but this could be different), nor how many minutes after that release time initial stock will cover.

          I remember standing in line to buy Windows 95 at CompUSA. It seems so quaint now.

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          Message 157861 : What do you

          25 May 2016 9:53:11 UTC
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            Message 157861 : What do you think about ?

            It's a little bit annoying to be the only dummy here in the round of "cruncher experts" (with experts I mean volonteers, not members of the IT-Group). The only way I can explain to me that no one wants to participate in a croud funding to get useful informations about the Pascal architecture before buying expensive graphics cards and to reward experts for their unselfish support.

            So I decided to tenfold my proposed investigation and to spend it to people in our country who are not able to buy a useful computer for crunching at Einstein@Home, who have to calculate every day to make ends meet. And if a day is comming up when I'm no more able or willing to be a part of this volonteer group spending a lot of money and time participating in searching for gravitational waves (hope so I'm really are doing so) I will give away the tin buddies to the same kind of working poors and social cares.

            Howgh - The force of anti-gravitation should be with you :-)

            Arthur

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            I've been watching an

            25 May 2016 15:38:30 UTC
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              I've been watching an Anandtech forum on Pascal. Someone there posted a link to a terrifying posting regarding modifications to a GTX 1080 card to support extra overclocking.

              I have no intention of doing these things, and don't recommend them. But the card details might interest you.

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              RE: Message 157861 : What

              25 May 2016 16:06:49 UTC
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                Message 157861 : What do you think about ?

                It's a little bit annoying to be the only dummy here in the round of "cruncher experts" (with experts I mean volonteers, not members of the IT-Group). The only way I can explain to me that no one wants to participate in a croud funding to get useful informations about the Pascal architecture before buying expensive graphics cards and to reward experts for their unselfish support.

                So I decided to tenfold my proposed investigation and to spend it to people in our country who are not able to buy a useful computer for crunching at Einstein@Home, who have to calculate every day to make ends meet. And if a day is comming up when I'm no more able or willing to be a part of this volonteer group spending a lot of money and time participating in searching for gravitational waves (hope so I'm really are doing so) I will give away the tin buddies to the same kind of working poors and social cares.

                Howgh - The force of anti-gravitation should be with you :-)

                Arthur

                Hi Arthur,

                I am also a dummy!

                archae86 will be testing a 1080 for us, when they can get one. I MIGHT get one, but I think I will wait a few days for other models (not Founder's Edition).

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                RE: RE: Given that the

                26 May 2016 10:35:49 UTC
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                  Given that the only video cards on the shelf were a pair of overclocked EVGA 950's, I'm not hopeful.

                  If it were sort of place which stocked and sold 980 Ti cards, I'd think your chances much better. But I'm not sure how many such places there are these days. Most folks I know buy this sort of stuff from NewEgg, or more recently, from Amazon.

                  Some years ago, when Intel would roll out a new line of CPU they would actually arrange for shelf stock of systems containing the new CPU to be ready for instant appearance overnight at places like Best Buy on release date. I don't know in detail what threats they had available to constrain folks from jumping the gun, but they must have been formidable, as generally the gun was not jumped much.

                  For what it is worth, my personal guess is that the "already over first day sellout" story was a misinterpretation, and that appreciable stock at both NewEgg and Amazon will be committed to orders Friday. I won't guess what hour of the day release is (it seems to have been 9 a.m. Eastern time for the review embargo, but this could be different), nor how many minutes after that release time initial stock will cover.

                  @archae86 - The "threat" you mention in paragraph two is very real under the circumstances in question. Having spent some time in retail I learned that the "big box" stores and such have special contracts with the manufacturers. The big stores have clauses in their contracts to carry said products that basically state, "get caught selling before the release date and you lose the right to sell anything from us". To get their special wholesale pricing and all the perks, they need to strictly abide by the contract.

                  Back on thread subject... :-) I am waiting on your results when you are able to do your build. When I started crunching a couple years back I intended to go whole hog and have a large stack of computers. I have held back due to electrical costs. I'm really interested in how your tests turn out "cost per credit" on the new cards.

                  Your tests will fit nicely with my own ongoing tests to see how faster cards perform based on the power of the supporting hardware, i.e. mb, cpu, memory, etc.

                  Phil

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                  At the risk of adding to the

                  26 May 2016 14:01:40 UTC
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                    At the risk of adding to the hype circus surrounding first selling day, I'll add these tidbits, mostly gleaned from what seem to me the most plausible postings on the reddit nvidia forum.

                    There is apparently an NDA (Non-disclosure Agreement) binding sellers and card partners not only from disclosing the non Founders products, but also the details of first selling day release. Apparently even the expiration date/time of that NDA is itself secret under the NDA, but widely rumored to be 1 p.m. UTC (9:00 a.m. EDT) on May 27.

                    Someone who thinks they know asserts that the only street stores stocked for opening day are Fry's and Micro Center. Very specific spottings, in come cases including photos of stacks of boxes, suggest that each store is getting a dozen or two boxes, generally of just one brand, with the brand varying by store location. More than one person has specifically asserted that Best Buy stores are not being stocked for opening day.

                    More "leak" photos of non Founders Edition cards are showing up, which may hint that such variants may be shippable sooner rather than later. Guesses as to their prices are just guesses.

                    My personal plan is to attempt a purchase tomorrow.

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                    5/26/16 23:06 Eastern Time:

                    27 May 2016 3:04:48 UTC
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                      5/26/16 23:06 Eastern Time: GTX 1080 now on sale at Best Buy for $699.99 - Founders edition.

                      oops. The above are "coming soon". Maybe at midnight?

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