Akos is at #37 at the moment. He was down below 8000 seconds, then had a run of compute errors, and now he's back to 37000! Probably had to revert to stock to get his quota back up.....
I hope it was only the WUs he trashed, didn't blow a fuse on the box or something.
Those WUs were only "hand-aborted" without any computing problems.
I switched back to the official code because some users were irritated.
I say, ignore anyone who's irritated. What are they going to do? Take away your birthday?
Those WUs were only "hand-aborted" without any computing problems.
I switched back to the official code because some users were irritated.
I say, ignore anyone who's irritated. What are they going to do? Take away your birthday?
I don't recall any sign of irritation on the message boards. If some users expressed irritation then they must have done it via PMs. It's funny how intolerant people usually aren't prepared to air their intolerance in public for fear of being taken to task about it. Also Akos used the term "users" rather than "staff" so I think we can safely presume that the staff weren't irritated.
Every day, when I look at how much more efficient my machines are thanks to Akos, I acknowledge that man's genius and I hope that he keeps pushing the boundaries so that even more benefits will flow to the whole user population. I can't believe that a thinking person would object to his continuing to trial his experiments on his own machines. I strongly object to these complaints because the people making them are effectively denying me the prospect of even better optimisations in the future.
So, Akos, I'm sure the vast majority of the user base will get mightily irritated if you don't resume your testing forthwith :).
Those WUs were only "hand-aborted" without any computing problems.
I switched back to the official code because some users were irritated.
I say, ignore anyone who's irritated. What are they going to do? Take away your birthday?
I don't recall any sign of irritation on the message boards. If some users expressed irritation then they must have done it via PMs. It's funny how intolerant people usually aren't prepared to air their intolerance in public for fear of being taken to task about it. Also Akos used the term "users" rather than "staff" so I think we can safely presume that the staff weren't irritated.
Every day, when I look at how much more efficient my machines are thanks to Akos, I acknowledge that man's genius and I hope that he keeps pushing the boundaries so that even more benefits will flow to the whole user population. I can't believe that a thinking person would object to his continuing to trial his experiments on his own machines. I strongly object to these complaints because the people making them are effectively denying me the prospect of even better optimisations in the future.
So, Akos, I'm sure the vast majority of the user base will get mightily irritated if you don't resume your testing forthwith :).
Actually, someone did express his irritation on the message boards a few weeks ago. But, someone else put the guy in his place, and I thought that that was the end of it. Since nothing has come up on the boards lately, your theory about the PM's may be correct, as well.
My advice would be to consider 'irritated' opinion only from those who have done more for E@H than Akos, and that any candidates for that role would have to establish ( and be accepted ) on their grounds in advance of their comment, and not before! :-)
I look forward to any gainsay on that criteria, and I'm content to declare my support of Akos ahead of that moment ..... :-)
Cheers, Mike.
NB. Hmmmmm ...... I wonder, was that too subtle?
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Once again, another update for the 8 hosts shown below.
1001562 belonging to RH (#1). 1001564 belonging to RH (#2). 997488 belonging to peanut. 1084360 belonging to nivekfalk. 1101980 belonging to RAMA. 1106990 belonging to Herr Datenrat. 989926 belonging to Elphidieus. 1109009 belonging to th3.
All the above are continuing to add completed results to their respective lists.
Joking aside, I add my happy endorsement for the activities of Akos on this project, including his brief but always to-the-point posts on these forums.
When he runs code aspects of which may eventually be used in the production aps on his machine, that gives large-scale testing against diverse quorum partners to assure its compatibility. Given the difficulties of predicting small differences in numeric residual error, that is excellent. So long as the official project has no objection, I, a user, not only don't object, but enthusiastically support that part of his activity.
Joking aside, I add my happy endorsement for the activities of Akos on this project, including his brief but always to-the-point posts on these forums.
When he runs code aspects of which may eventually be used in the production aps on his machine, that gives large-scale testing against diverse quorum partners to assure its compatibility. Given the difficulties of predicting small differences in numeric residual error, that is excellent. So long as the official project has no objection, I, a user, not only don't object, but enthusiastically support that part of his activity.
There's another aspect to this as well, which some people seem to misunderstand.
This isn't, and can't be, a contest. A true contest would have a defined time where everyone begins at once, and a defined time where everyone ends at once. There would be rules as to how many and what kinds of computers each of us could run, and also about what kinds of tweaks each of us could make to the software. (I could liken this to NASCAR racing, where every car owner is subject to the same types of rules.) If, after all of the rules are followed, the person with the most Cobblestones wins.
I view E@H as more of a quest for science, and my number of Cobblestones as a measure of my own participation and achievement. It's only natural that other people who've been around longer than I, or who have better equipment than I, will have more Cobblestones. And, if Akos' efforts help the rest of us with our crunching efforts, then, what's the big deal about him being able to gather more Cobblestones for himself?
This isn't the first time that this issue has come up. About a year or so ago, someone complained about Bruce Allen putting his Nemo cluster Cobblestones in with ours. Again, what's the big deal?
It's a couple or five generations gone now, but there was a genuinely reported case of an entire pub here DownUnda that bet upon a fly crawling up a wall. Gave rise to a 'folklore saying' on the topic of wagers. In one of our 'outback' mining towns I think, evidently otherwise pretty quiet ..... but I've probably already said too much .... :-)
More seriously, there has always been a tension of differing user aims with the distributed projects. Fortunately E@H is rather a quiet pond in that regard now. [ I'm not going to repeat my views, which you could easily guess at, and the curious can search my postings. There have been some surprisingly lively discussions .... ]
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Once again, another update for the 8 hosts shown below.
1001562 belonging to RH (#1). 1001564 belonging to RH (#2). 997488 belonging to peanut. 1084360 belonging to nivekfalk. 1101980 belonging to RAMA. 1106990 belonging to Herr Datenrat. 989926 belonging to Elphidieus. 1109009 belonging to th3.
Sorry for the delay with this update. We had a burst water pipe at the side of our house on Saturday morning which I needed to fix fairly urgently. I did some digging to try to find the rupture but after running into an amazing mass of matted tree roots, I gave up and decided that laying new pipe from the water meter and leaving the old pipe in the ground was probably going to be an easier option. All fixed now so I'm allowed out once again :).
I've been asked recently to make the shell script that gathers the above data, non-interactive in its use so it can be run at the desired interval automatically by cron. I've knocked out a new version (V3.3) which achieves this without losing the interactive behaviour. This new version has been announced here. The above data was in fact gathered with the new version and after a quick inspection seems to be OK. Please let me know if anyone finds anything unusual.
RE: All the above, except
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It is now (built up one h*** of a LTD while running full bore).
Later.
R.
RE: RE: Akos is at #37 at
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I say, ignore anyone who's irritated. What are they going to do? Take away your birthday?
RE: RE: Those WUs were
)
I don't recall any sign of irritation on the message boards. If some users expressed irritation then they must have done it via PMs. It's funny how intolerant people usually aren't prepared to air their intolerance in public for fear of being taken to task about it. Also Akos used the term "users" rather than "staff" so I think we can safely presume that the staff weren't irritated.
Every day, when I look at how much more efficient my machines are thanks to Akos, I acknowledge that man's genius and I hope that he keeps pushing the boundaries so that even more benefits will flow to the whole user population. I can't believe that a thinking person would object to his continuing to trial his experiments on his own machines. I strongly object to these complaints because the people making them are effectively denying me the prospect of even better optimisations in the future.
So, Akos, I'm sure the vast majority of the user base will get mightily irritated if you don't resume your testing forthwith :).
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: RE: RE: Those WUs
)
Actually, someone did express his irritation on the message boards a few weeks ago. But, someone else put the guy in his place, and I thought that that was the end of it. Since nothing has come up on the boards lately, your theory about the PM's may be correct, as well.
My advice would be to
)
My advice would be to consider 'irritated' opinion only from those who have done more for E@H than Akos, and that any candidates for that role would have to establish ( and be accepted ) on their grounds in advance of their comment, and not before! :-)
I look forward to any gainsay on that criteria, and I'm content to declare my support of Akos ahead of that moment ..... :-)
Cheers, Mike.
NB. Hmmmmm ...... I wonder, was that too subtle?
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Once again, another update
)
Once again, another update for the 8 hosts shown below.
1001562 belonging to RH (#1).
1001564 belonging to RH (#2).
997488 belonging to peanut.
1084360 belonging to nivekfalk.
1101980 belonging to RAMA.
1106990 belonging to Herr Datenrat.
989926 belonging to Elphidieus.
1109009 belonging to th3.
All the above are continuing to add completed results to their respective lists.
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: NB. Hmmmmm ...... I
)
Your nice-guy halo slipped for just a moment.
Joking aside, I add my happy endorsement for the activities of Akos on this project, including his brief but always to-the-point posts on these forums.
When he runs code aspects of which may eventually be used in the production aps on his machine, that gives large-scale testing against diverse quorum partners to assure its compatibility. Given the difficulties of predicting small differences in numeric residual error, that is excellent. So long as the official project has no objection, I, a user, not only don't object, but enthusiastically support that part of his activity.
RE: RE: NB. Hmmmmm ......
)
There's another aspect to this as well, which some people seem to misunderstand.
This isn't, and can't be, a contest. A true contest would have a defined time where everyone begins at once, and a defined time where everyone ends at once. There would be rules as to how many and what kinds of computers each of us could run, and also about what kinds of tweaks each of us could make to the software. (I could liken this to NASCAR racing, where every car owner is subject to the same types of rules.) If, after all of the rules are followed, the person with the most Cobblestones wins.
I view E@H as more of a quest for science, and my number of Cobblestones as a measure of my own participation and achievement. It's only natural that other people who've been around longer than I, or who have better equipment than I, will have more Cobblestones. And, if Akos' efforts help the rest of us with our crunching efforts, then, what's the big deal about him being able to gather more Cobblestones for himself?
This isn't the first time that this issue has come up. About a year or so ago, someone complained about Bruce Allen putting his Nemo cluster Cobblestones in with ours. Again, what's the big deal?
RE: Again, what's the big
)
'Human Nature' I suspect ... :-)
It's a couple or five generations gone now, but there was a genuinely reported case of an entire pub here DownUnda that bet upon a fly crawling up a wall. Gave rise to a 'folklore saying' on the topic of wagers. In one of our 'outback' mining towns I think, evidently otherwise pretty quiet ..... but I've probably already said too much .... :-)
More seriously, there has always been a tension of differing user aims with the distributed projects. Fortunately E@H is rather a quiet pond in that regard now. [ I'm not going to repeat my views, which you could easily guess at, and the curious can search my postings. There have been some surprisingly lively discussions .... ]
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Once again, another update
)
Once again, another update for the 8 hosts shown below.
1001562 belonging to RH (#1).
1001564 belonging to RH (#2).
997488 belonging to peanut.
1084360 belonging to nivekfalk.
1101980 belonging to RAMA.
1106990 belonging to Herr Datenrat.
989926 belonging to Elphidieus.
1109009 belonging to th3.
Sorry for the delay with this update. We had a burst water pipe at the side of our house on Saturday morning which I needed to fix fairly urgently. I did some digging to try to find the rupture but after running into an amazing mass of matted tree roots, I gave up and decided that laying new pipe from the water meter and leaving the old pipe in the ground was probably going to be an easier option. All fixed now so I'm allowed out once again :).
I've been asked recently to make the shell script that gathers the above data, non-interactive in its use so it can be run at the desired interval automatically by cron. I've knocked out a new version (V3.3) which achieves this without losing the interactive behaviour. This new version has been announced here. The above data was in fact gathered with the new version and after a quick inspection seems to be OK. Please let me know if anyone finds anything unusual.
Cheers,
Gary.