GDPR: New Website features and statistics export option

We plan to upgrade the Einstein@Home Web site this coming week in order to deploy new features that make our project more GDPR compliant. To that end users will see some new options that I will summarize here.

  • New users may only create an account by registering through the Web site. After your account is created, you may connect to Einstein@Home using a client. We recommend to always install the latest BOINC Manager to ensure compatibility with the current and upcoming changes.
  • Existing users will be asked to consent to our privacy policy and forum guidelines upon their next website login.
  • There is a new privacy option: Do you consent to exporting your data to BOINC statistics aggregation Web sites? This is set to 'No' (disabled) by default. You may enable the feature in Account -> Preferences -> Privacy.

    • Sites that aggregate project stats, such as BOINCstats, may not function for you if you do not enable this option.

These features are already in place on our test project: Albert@Home.

In order to make the transition easier, there will be a two week period after the Web site is updated but before the statistics export option goes into effect. This grace period will end on December 17th. Users should still go to the privacy preferences page, and enable statistics exports in preparation of the new policy.

PS - Some other BOINC projects may also require users to consent to statistics exports soon. This means you must enable a similar statistics export option on their respective Web sites.

Update: 2018-11-29 - The changes to the Web site have been rolled-out. The statistics export option will go in effect December 17th.

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Mumak
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Thanks Oliver, that's no

Thanks Oliver, that's no problem then :)

 

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Aane Saeter
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Hi. Unfrtunately I haven't

Hi. 

Unfortunately I haven't been logging in (Einstein@home) for a while since I actually read my statistics in BOINCstats. So I happen to have lost my statistics. But I really do understand the background. I have read all the updates of you now Olliver and I thank you for the good work. (Sorry to not follow the class.....)

Aane

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Mumak escribió:Well, I missed

Mumak wrote:
Well, I missed that deadline and enabled the export option only today.
What now, are all my stats erased forever and sent to /dev/null ?

 

Same here. Yell

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Hopefully anyone realizing

Hopefully anyone realizing that their stats are not showing up can come enable export and they will show up again. If not, this is a MAJOR problem. But, there is another major problem... Einstein NOT exporting all users just gave me a HUGE jump. Like up 1950 spots in one day on BOINCStats. I realize that the GPDR or whatever it is, says you can't IDENTIFY the owners of those 1950+ "missing" rows, but for the stats to be ACCURATE, you can't just ignore them, either. You can assign a random identifying number, or whatever, but the DATA can't be thrown out with the identifier. This is like saying "we got a gravity wave signal that is off the charts, but we can't tell exactly where it came from, so we're just going to ignore it." Yet another unintended consequence of a stupid law and a flawed attempt to comply with it...

Bill Michael
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Shawn Kwang wrote:@Greg, (I

Shawn Kwang wrote:

@Greg, 

(I don't understand GDPR) Is it necessary? The stats don't identify individuals, just a group of computers.

GDPR not only covers the individuals themselves but any information they give to us. Or at least that is according to what our Data Protection Officer (DPO) as well as any legal advice we have received. Thus we must ask for users' consent when distributing this data.

If this interpretation is correct, then you have some problems you haven't thought of yet. "Any information they give to us" INCLUDES THE RESULTS OF THEIR CALCULATIONS! If this is your interpretation, please immediately go through and delete every affected result, change all of your scientific papers written as a consequence of these calculations, etc... Methinks you are getting some very bad legal advice. The GDPR is all about IDENTIFYING people, not throwing out every piece of data collected. If you throw out the stats, why are the calculations themselves any different? It's all data. Maybe you should ask your "legal advisors" about the use of all these years of collected data - and if they just say "oh no you can't" (as I expect) or if they find some convenient loophole because they suddenly wake up - and then decide if you should be listening to them.

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Bill,you can also see it

Bill,

you can also see it the other way round: you are on a certain place/spot among those who want to share their stats data with you. Other potentially existing users are just not relevant for statistics comparisons anyway. They might only care about the science they support, not the credit. Here's an analogy: there are far more people enjoying their daily running workout than those who enter competitions. You can never compete against the former group, and you probably don't even have an interest in that. That said, everyone who cares about credit competition at all will certainly return to the stats sites if they haven't done so already. Everyone else just isn't part of the competition, and it's their choice to make. This is the power and freedom these people are given now by the GDPR.

Please let's try and keep this discussion on the technical side of things. This isn't the place to discuss political or legal matters. Also, there's NO NEED TO SHOUT. You can always use the existing formatting options to stress your points.

Thank you,
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Well, I lost ~170M. I've

Well, I lost ~170M. I've enabled the option. I hope we can get those credits back.

Oliver Behnke
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As you can see on the left,

As you can see on the left, your credits are still alive. They'll reappear on all participating external sites in due course.

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Oliver Behnke wrote:Hi

Oliver Behnke wrote:

Hi Mumak,

your stats should reappear within a day, obviously without historical data, though.

Best,
Oliver

Ok, i realised my situation,when i checked my Boincstats-status today and found out that my einstein@home points were missing. Boincstats only shows my Milkyway and Rosetta score now (14 774 total) and almost 300 million einstein@home credits are missing.

I changed my privacy settings and renewed my CPID. Is that all i need to do, besides waiting?

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Bill Michael

Bill Michael wrote:
Hopefully anyone realizing that their stats are not showing up can come enable export and they will show up again. If not, this is a MAJOR problem. But, there is another major problem... Einstein NOT exporting all users just gave me a HUGE jump. Like up 1950 spots in one day on BOINCStats. I realize that the GPDR or whatever it is, says you can't IDENTIFY the owners of those 1950+ "missing" rows, but for the stats to be ACCURATE, you can't just ignore them, either. You can assign a random identifying number, or whatever, but the DATA can't be thrown out with the identifier. This is like saying "we got a gravity wave signal that is off the charts, but we can't tell exactly where it came from, so we're just going to ignore it." Yet another unintended consequence of a stupid law and a flawed attempt to comply with it...

 

Thanks for the clarification. I hope that the first case be fulfilled.

I'm also in the same situation of remembering to login late and lose the data in boinc stats :S

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Eskomorko wrote:I changed my

Eskomorko wrote:
I changed my privacy settings and renewed my CPID. Is that all i need to do, besides waiting?


Changing the privacy setting "Do you consent to exporting your data to BOINC statistics aggregation Web sites?" to yes should suffice. Then wait for the daily (or 2 times a day?) stats export from the project and your favorite stats site to pick up the new data and import it and all should be good again.
Although you might/will loose daily/weekly/monthly etc. history, but the totals and RAC should show as current again and matching what you see on your account here at this site (minus anything accumulated since the export).

Eskomorko
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Everything is now back to

Everything is now back to normal. Thank you for your reply.

My RAC suddenly skyrocketed from 280 000 to 450 000 which is a good thing Cool

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I see my history was restored

I see my history was restored after fixing my settings (not sure what happened, I'd've sworn I updated it beforehand); which based on comments made prior to the switch I wasn't expecting to happen.  This has me wondering if the old data will be stored but not shown on sites like boincstats indefinitely or if after some grace period anyone who hasn't realized their stats are gone will have their old data permanently deleted.

Oliver Behnke
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At least BOINCstats told us

At least BOINCstats told us they delete the data right away. Again, whatever we export (see privacy policy) will of course be restored as soon as you give your consent. Any historical data will be gone, though.

Oliver

 

 


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Mumak wrote:Thanks Oliver,

Mumak wrote:
Thanks Oliver, that's no problem then :)

As expected, there you are: https://boincstats.com/en/stats/5/user/detail/618422

 


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guizalan wrote:Well, I lost

guizalan wrote:
Well, I lost ~170M. I've enabled the option. I hope we can get those credits back.

... and so are you: https://boincstats.com/en/stats/5/user/detail/638941

 


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nikos3194
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It seems that many people

It seems that many people didn't read the notice. Especially people who are attached to many projects and become saturated with notices to the point of ignoring them, or they don't know English Sealed

For my country Argentina, in the global stats we was around a thousand, now we are less than ten Cry

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/5/user/list/0/0/Argentina

https://signature.statseb.fr/index.py?projet=15&country=Argentina

https://stats.free-dc.org/usercountry/eah/Argentina

The same with other countries.

Russ McNeil
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I changed the option to YES

I changed the option to YES but only after discovering that I lost my 88,000 Einstein@home credits. Waiting to see if they come back.

Freddykrug
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Sorry, I'm leaving both

Sorry, I'm leaving both einstein and albert because I feel robbed. Minus 10% of the overall statistics!

miw
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It seems that many people

It seems that many people didn't read the notice. Especially people who are attached to many projects and become saturated with notices to the point of ignoring them, or they don't know English Sealed

I'd say hardly anyone read the notice. It reminds me of Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where the earthlings were told it was their own fault their world was being destroyed. After all the notice had been in a filing cabinet on an important planet for viewing for several months. You would think the fact that one had explicitly given permission for the project to contact one by email would be a hint that important notices should be sent out by email. Sending out on Twitter is obviously useless. Putting it in the forums is useless because most people either never go to the forums or only go there when something is not working. A Boincstats message is a bit better, but I would say I am far from being alone in not reading them frequently enough to see even a majority of the messages. An email from a source that rarely sends me email on the other hand gets my attention. It even worked with WGC who send out more messages than anyone else. I get it that sending out emails doesn't get to everyone. But at least if people have actually asked to be informed by email, it would seem to be the right thing to do to honour that. Every other website where I have an account where there was a requirement to consent to a new privacy policy within a certain time or things would break sent me an email notification. The rest got my attention at the next login. 

GDPR in general has been one SNAFU after another. This seems to be one of the worse ones. Panic in the face of an unlikely legal risk and then realise a bigger risk by screwing over most of your volunteer supporters.

--miw

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Woops, I missed it like many

Woops, I missed it like many others! Didn't see it until now. As long as the research gets done I'm satisfied but the score is a fun thing to track.:)

Looking forward to bumping back up on BAM in a few days!

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miw wrote:Sending out on

miw wrote:
Sending out on Twitter is obviously useless. Putting it in the forums is useless because most people either never go to the forums

Well, your BOINC Manager (client software) should also have shown the relevant notifications. There's only so much we can do and sending out mass emails isn't straight-forward either.


Let me repeat again: your credits will be back on the external stats sites as soon as you give your consent to share those details with them.

Best,
Oliver

 


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Michael MB
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Done!!!!  

Done!!!!

 

nikos3194
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miw escribió:GDPR in general

miw wrote:
GDPR in general has been one SNAFU after another. This seems to be one of the worse ones. Panic in the face of an unlikely legal risk and then realise a bigger risk by screwing over most of your volunteer supporters.

I agree.

This policy completely cancels the promotion of the project in the lists of projects linked in the user pages of other projects, reduce the users in boinc.netsoft-online.com, signature.statseb.fr, boincstats.com, stats.free-dc.org and others that are a key to share the participation and promote the incorporation of new users.

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@OLIVER BEHNKE    In the

@OLIVER BEHNKE 

 

In the new year when staff come back to work, will the E@H project accounts be turned back on for stats export?

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DanNeely wrote:will the E@H

DanNeely wrote:
will the E@H project accounts be turned back on for stats export?

Hi Dan, sorry, I don't understand the question. If this is about your stats, then please re-read this thread.

Cheers,
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As expected in my worst

As expected in my worst dreams, my team is now shrinked from more than 800 people to 43 in Boincstats.

What Einstein@Home has done is clear so far (fullfill their view of the law). But that boincstats deleted all existing stats seems again far far more than needed. The good thing is that other stats pages are not so extremistic and kept the old stats, maybe they will not be updated any more, but they are still existing.

*headbanging*

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Oliver Behnke wrote:DanNeely

Oliver Behnke wrote:
DanNeely wrote:
will the E@H project accounts be turned back on for stats export?

Hi Dan, sorry, I don't understand the question. If this is about your stats, then please re-read this thread.

Cheers,
Oliver

 

No, my question was about the accounts that at various times represented work done by entities associated with the E@H program which ran BOINC when not needed for other internal computing tasks.  All 6 of these accounts (names as shown publicly before the export wipe) are I believe current/former official program accounts:

 

ATLAS AEI Hannover

Armin Burkhardt speaking for MPI/FKF

LIGO Hanford Observatory

AEI eScience group, for the German Grid (D-Grid)

Atlas Admins E@H secondary account

Steffen Grunewald, for Merlin/Morgane

 

Edit:  I'm not sure this is a complete list either.  I only snapshotted the first page of stats prior to the wipe; but thought at one point both LIGO locations had accounts listed in the stats.

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Well, Privacy Policy for

Well, Privacy Policy for change is well written and understandable what where and how is data used. That's the way I like it. 

Good job.

 

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MagicEye wrote:As expected in

MagicEye wrote:
As expected in my worst dreams, my team is now shrinked from more than 800 people to 43 in Boincstats.

Well, that's the prerogative of the team members themselves. If you think they didn't get the memo yet, let them know via team email (or ask the admin/founder to send it for you, if you can't).

MagicEye wrote:
But that boincstats deleted all existing stats seems again far far more than needed. The good thing is that other stats pages are not so extremistic and kept the old stats

Nope, that's what Art. 17 GDPR requires BOINCstats to do and they are based in Europe as well, so I bet they just don't want to risk being sued, in particular since they are (rather: "he is") just a non-profit spare-time project.

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DanNeely wrote:No, my

DanNeely wrote:
No, my question was about the accounts that at various times represented work done by entities associated with the E@H program

That's up to the respective facility admins to decide. We as the E@H project don't have control over those accounts and we're not in close contact to be able to tell if and when they might re-publish their stats.

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Hendrik wrote:Well, Privacy

Hendrik wrote:

Well, Privacy Policy for change is well written and understandable what where and how is data used. That's the way I like it. 

Good job.

Thanks Hendrik, we appreciate that! However, while having actually written the policy ourselves this is another one of GDPR's actual benefits to the users: it legally requires you to write such a policy a) at all and b) "in a concise, transparent, intelligible and easily accessible form, using clear and plain language" (Art. 12). That's what we tried to do because we think it's a real benefit for our volunteers and also in our own interest.

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Oliver Behnke wrote:DanNeely

Oliver Behnke wrote:
DanNeely wrote:
No, my question was about the accounts that at various times represented work done by entities associated with the E@H program

That's up to the respective facility admins to decide. We as the E@H project don't have control over those accounts and we're not in close contact to be able to tell if and when they might re-publish their stats.

Oliver

 

Is whoever's in charge of the accounts even aware that it's an issue.  Somehow I doubt those people are reading the forums or ever looking at boinc manager notice tabs which since the opt in to be emailed by the project feature wasn't used are the only public means to even let anyone know that it's an issue.

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DanNeely wrote:Is whoever's

DanNeely wrote:
Is whoever's in charge of the accounts even aware that it's an issue.

Probably not, also because it isn't an "issue" - for those contributors anyway. They are contributing cycles for the science, not for the credits. Apart from that they can still measure or compare their contributions (should they indeed care or should someone ask about those) to the top 100 using our local statistics pages.

Also, from the accounts you mentioned only the ATLAS and MPI/FKF ones are still active. I'll give both a shout but it's obviously up to them to decide how they handle their exports.

Best,
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I consented to the data

I consented to the data export privacy control a few days ago.

i am still missing 171M credits on boincstats.

I have dozens of machines I donate to the cause, I have detached them all from Einstein at Home until this problem is resolved.

It seems pretty outrageous to me that they (boincstats) would shit on people helping the cause for free.  It demonstrates a clear lack of understanding on how GDPR actually works. Deleting historical stats export scores which contain no personal infomration at all and were submitted prior to GDPR this means someone didn't do their homework for GDPR compliance and took a lazy blunt approach to how they thought it should be managed.

I know the internet is full of muppets, idiots, lazy people and dumbasses but i didn't expect to be exposed to them on Boincstats of all places.

 

 

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togethia wrote:I know the

togethia wrote:

I know the internet is full of muppets, idiots, lazy people and dumbasses but i didn't expect to be exposed to them on Boincstats of all places.

 

Please review our guidelines on forum moderation and reconsider your language. Please edit your post accordingly.

Apart from that: how about these stats?

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