Einstein's Riddle

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Greetings:

I will give it a shot.

I believe it is the "German' who has the Fish. he/she lives in the fourth house which is green, drinks coffee, smokes Prince.

You made the assumption that the first house is furthest to de left. If you make the assumption that the first house is furthest to de right, then it’s the inhabitant of the house furthest to the left, who is ether German or Britt.

To Ziran:

You are absolutely correct I made an assumption at the beginning making the house on the left yellow with the Norwegian. It could have been The Green house with the German or Brit in the red house. I should not have included the fourth house in my answer Thank you for the clarification. I need to be more careful:-)

Also to Ziran:
Wait a second. The solution I came up with is not symmetric with the middle house, because then you end up with the white house to the left of the green one, which fails point #7: “The green house is next to, and on the left of the white house.� Am I missing something?
edit:Ahh, I see, another solution exists besides the one I posted, because you can revolve it about the middle house, and then swap house #1 with house #2. --err, that would be swapping #4 and #5, if you're starting at the right and counting towards the left. Are there more solutions?

I have a feeling there are no more solutions. It would be interesting though to come up with a program testing other permutations :). I have run into this type of problem before where our biases influence design decisions that don't fit in the real world


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Message 64301 in response to message 64293

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Greetings:

I will give it a shot.

I believe it is the "German' who has the Fish. he/she lives in the fourth house which is green, drinks coffee, smokes Prince.

You made the assumption that the first house is furthest to de left. If you make the assumption that the first house is furthest to de right, then it’s the inhabitant of the house furthest to the left, who is ether German or Britt.

To Ziran:

You are absolutely correct I made an assumption at the beginning making the house on the left yellow with the Norwegian. It could have been The Green house with the German or Brit in the red house. I should not have included the fourth house in my answer Thank you for the clarification. I need to be more careful:-)


Also to Ziran:
Wait a second. The solution I came up with is not symmetric with the middle house, because then you end up with the white house to the left of the green one, which fails point #7: “The green house is next to, and on the left of the white house.� Am I missing something?
edit:Ahh, I see, another solution exists besides the one I posted, because you can revolve it about the middle house, and then swap house #1 with house #2. --err, that would be swapping #4 and #5, if you're starting at the right and counting towards the left. Are there more solutions?

I have only found 3 solutions. Here is my reasoning.
In the first house is the Norwegian (12)
The second house is blue (17)
In the third house (center) they drink milk (11)
In the green house they drink coffee (8) and its next to and left of the white house (7)

If the first house is at the far left there is only one possibility (A) for the green (forth house) and white house (fifth).

If the first house is at the far right there is only two possibilities.
B. green house is to the far left (fifth house) and white house (forth). between the green and the center house
C. green house is the forth house and the white house is the center house (third)

A.
Third house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
The only possible drink in first is water ->blend = second
Dane and tea is the only possibility for the second house
Only possible to have blue master and beer in fifth house
Swede is only possibility in fifth house -> German in forth
The only possible pet in forth is then FISH.
So the German have the fish.

B.
Third house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
The only possible drink in first is water ->blend = second
The only possible smoke in third is Pall Mall
Cat is only possible in first house
The only possible smoke in fifth is prince
The only possible pet in fifth is then FISH.
So the German have the fish.

C.
Fifth house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
Dane and tea is the only possibility for the second house
Only possible to have blue master and beer in fifth house -> water = first house -> blend = second
The only possible pet in fifth is then FISH.
So the Brit have the fish.

Then you're really interested in a subject, there is no way to avoid it. You have to read the Manual.

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Message 64302 in response to message 64301

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Greetings:

I will give it a shot.

I believe it is the "German' who has the Fish. he/she lives in the fourth house which is green, drinks coffee, smokes Prince.

You made the assumption that the first house is furthest to de left. If you make the assumption that the first house is furthest to de right, then it’s the inhabitant of the house furthest to the left, who is ether German or Britt.

To Ziran:

You are absolutely correct I made an assumption at the beginning making the house on the left yellow with the Norwegian. It could have been The Green house with the German or Brit in the red house. I should not have included the fourth house in my answer Thank you for the clarification. I need to be more careful:-)


Also to Ziran:
Wait a second. The solution I came up with is not symmetric with the middle house, because then you end up with the white house to the left of the green one, which fails point #7: “The green house is next to, and on the left of the white house.� Am I missing something?
edit:Ahh, I see, another solution exists besides the one I posted, because you can revolve it about the middle house, and then swap house #1 with house #2. --err, that would be swapping #4 and #5, if you're starting at the right and counting towards the left. Are there more solutions?

I have only found 3 solutions. Here is my reasoning.
In the first house is the Norwegian (12)
The second house is blue (17)
In the third house (center) they drink milk (11)
In the green house they drink coffee (8) and its next to and left of the white house (7)

If the first house is at the far left there is only one possibility (A) for the green (forth house) and white house (fifth).

If the first house is at the far right there is only two possibilities.
B. green house is to the far left (fifth house) and white house (forth). between the green and the center house
C. green house is the forth house and the white house is the center house (third)

A.
Third house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
The only possible drink in first is water ->blend = second
Dane and tea is the only possibility for the second house
Only possible to have blue master and beer in fifth house
Swede is only possibility in fifth house -> German in forth
The only possible pet in forth is then FISH.
So the German have the fish.

B.
Third house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
The only possible drink in first is water ->blend = second
The only possible smoke in third is Pall Mall
Cat is only possible in first house
The only possible smoke in fifth is prince
The only possible pet in fifth is then FISH.
So the German have the fish.

C.
Fifth house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
Dane and tea is the only possibility for the second house
Only possible to have blue master and beer in fifth house -> water = first house -> blend = second
The only possible pet in fifth is then FISH.
So the Brit have the fish.

Greetings

I need more clarification on your solution C. I can't seem to resolve it. Where is the Swede who drinks Beer he can't be in the middle house that is reserved for Milk

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Greetings:

I will give it a shot.

I believe it is the "German' who has the Fish. he/she lives in the fourth house which is green, drinks coffee, smokes Prince.

You made the assumption that the first house is furthest to de left. If you make the assumption that the first house is furthest to de right, then it’s the inhabitant of the house furthest to the left, who is ether German or Britt.

To Ziran:

You are absolutely correct I made an assumption at the beginning making the house on the left yellow with the Norwegian. It could have been The Green house with the German or Brit in the red house. I should not have included the fourth house in my answer Thank you for the clarification. I need to be more careful:-)


Also to Ziran:
Wait a second. The solution I came up with is not symmetric with the middle house, because then you end up with the white house to the left of the green one, which fails point #7: “The green house is next to, and on the left of the white house.� Am I missing something?
edit:Ahh, I see, another solution exists besides the one I posted, because you can revolve it about the middle house, and then swap house #1 with house #2. --err, that would be swapping #4 and #5, if you're starting at the right and counting towards the left. Are there more solutions?

I have only found 3 solutions. Here is my reasoning.
In the first house is the Norwegian (12)
The second house is blue (17)
In the third house (center) they drink milk (11)
In the green house they drink coffee (8) and its next to and left of the white house (7)

If the first house is at the far left there is only one possibility (A) for the green (forth house) and white house (fifth).

If the first house is at the far right there is only two possibilities.
B. green house is to the far left (fifth house) and white house (forth). between the green and the center house
C. green house is the forth house and the white house is the center house (third)

A.
Third house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
The only possible drink in first is water ->blend = second
Dane and tea is the only possibility for the second house
Only possible to have blue master and beer in fifth house
Swede is only possibility in fifth house -> German in forth
The only possible pet in forth is then FISH.
So the German have the fish.

B.
Third house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
The only possible drink in first is water ->blend = second
The only possible smoke in third is Pall Mall
Cat is only possible in first house
The only possible smoke in fifth is prince
The only possible pet in fifth is then FISH.
So the German have the fish.

C.
Fifth house is red (the Norwegian is in the first) -> first is then yellow.
Horses in second. (14)
Dane and tea is the only possibility for the second house
Only possible to have blue master and beer in fifth house -> water = first house -> blend = second
The only possible pet in fifth is then FISH.
So the Brit have the fish.

Greetings

I need more clarification on your solution C. I can't seem to resolve it. Where is the Swede who drinks Beer he can't be in the middle house that is reserved for Milk

The Swede have dogs (5). The man who smokes blue master drinks beer (15).

You got me thinking and I have found a problem with C.

The goal is to determine who have the fish. If you have followed my instructions, this is what we are certain of then we know who have the fish in case C.

First house, yellow, Norwegian, water, dunhill,?
Second house, blue, Dane, tea, blend, horses
Third house, white, ?, milk, ?, ?
Forth house, green, ?, coffee, ?, ?
Fifth house, red, Brit, beer, blue master, FISH

If you want to continue after finding the fish:
First house can only have cat as a pet.
This is how far we can take it.
Swede, dogs, pall mall, birds, German, prince are possibilities for both third and forth house.

But if you look at the possibilities left, they don’t add up. So option C isn’t a solution.
The riddle then only have two solutions A and B, there the German have the Fish in both cases.

Then you're really interested in a subject, there is no way to avoid it. You have to read the Manual.

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Ok, something different to

Ok, something different to puzzle over...

Archaeologists recently made an amazing find not far from Rome. It was an approximately two thousand year old stone tablet on which was engraved what could only be described as a primitive cross-number diagram. It had only four numbers, two horizontal (reading left to right) and two vertical (reading top to bottom), as shown here in the blank diagram with the numbers removed. All four of the numbers were different and all were less than four thousand. The bottom horizontal one was the smallest. After consulting with mathematicians they discovered that all four of the numbers were squares, but only the smallest number was a fourth power. Also the sum of the four numbers was a prime. Using only the information given here can you find the unique original diagram?

I'll provide a hint if no one has solved it within 3 days or so.

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I need some clarification you

I need some clarification you say that each number is less than four thousand but according to the diagram each number has five digits?? Am I missing something??

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Message 64306 in response to message 64305

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I need some clarification you say that each number is less than four thousand but according to the diagram each number has five digits?? Am I missing something??


I'm sorry Rod but I can't really clarify on this puzzle beyond saying that it is a "tricky" puzzle and can't be taken at face value. I will say that every sentence in the setup for the puzzle is a clue. :) I'll provide another clue in a few days. gl

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I had the same question as

I had the same question as Rod, but I came up with this:
Top horizontal number is: 02304, which is 48^2.
Bottom horizontal number is 00625, which is the smallest, and also 5^4.
Left vertical number is 02209, which is 47^2.
Right vertical number is 00729, which is 27^2.
These add up: 2304 + 625 + 2209 + 729 = 5867, which is the 772nd prime number.

Is that it?

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Alas Chipper Q, no. I'll have

Alas Chipper Q, no. I'll have to refer you back to my previous post for contemplation. But I do have to admit that your answer was an excellent effort... gl

I'll post a clue in a couple of days or so.

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Here is my first attempt. But

Here is my first attempt. But alas I do not think it adds to prime number

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M M

M M M M C

D X

D C X X V

V I

I think I am going to have to back track...

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