Well, not withstanding some terrific applications of gravity waves for the general or specific good, I do recall somewhere ( I think the LIGO collaboration's charter? ) which indicates that the scientific output ( ie. knowledge ) will be published. I think that derives from requirements of the fundholders, in this case the US government's National Science Foundation - please correct if anyone has special knowledge here. That insertion into the public domain will therefore negate any possibility of control via patenting etc per se.
Someone might invent some whizzmo-gizzmo that utilises the divulged physical properties revealed by said research, but at least we would all be on an equal footing with regard to launching into that.
Maybe a better mouse trap? :-)
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Volunteering\\Donating crunch time to a "for profit" venture, may seem somewhat undesireable. But, for instance, if Einstein@Home was "for profit", the project may have a profitable advantage, but as long as the results are made known in one fashion or another, the usefulness and purpose of the data collected would be advantageous nonetheless. Even with some projects, where the outcome results are not made known to all at finish, they still benefit by adding knowledge.
Also the funding required for a given project may exceed government grants and donations, and if profits gained are used to assist further study, I would not be against the idea...
Like it was previously said, patents do not last forever. And following that idea, many of the inventions made over the last 200 years started with one company and one producer, which may seem to some as a monopoly, but the knowledge grew, beyond, to the general public to further advance technology and industrial adavancement. Alas, hide, sell or dispense the information, we'll still find it.. ;) Haha
NOTE: Even though I was using Einstein@Home as a "for instance" example, it is my opinion, and seemingly the public overall opinion, that it is not "for profit"
Thanks to all for the input. The list (of BOINC projects and their status as either profit or not-for-profit) I was putting together when I started this thread can be found here. It's not a definitive list, but I think it's reasonably accurate.
The whole for-profit issue as it relates to BOINC can be debated, obviously, and while I'd personally prefer to work on not-for-profit projects, I can certainly see the question from multiple viewpoints. More than anything, I wanted to put the list together to gather the information into one place, so that every new BOINC user doesn't have to go poking around everywhere to find it. I think it would be helpful (and quite easy at that) for every project to state their (non)profit status right up front on their respective home pages - but in lieu of that, I wanted the info to be easily accessible to all.
Overall it seems most people are somewhat leery of contributing in the following scenario, or variant:
- a private enterprise
- not wanting to pay commercial rates for computing
- that they have a lot of it to do
- which would cost a fortune
- without necessarily a 'viable' result
- thus not even 'angel' investors will touch it
- much less conservative shareholders with some teeth on the directors
- so lets dupe volunteers to contribute
- using some sort of 'for the good of us all' line
- getting some sort of 'killer application' from the computing output
- which winds up as a private cash cow
- and then ha ha, there was no contract, no comeback, more fool you etc.
It's classic human nature to want to socialise the loss, but privatise the gain. In addition the Internet is particularly rife with the scams and such - have any of us not been presented with schemes for anatomical/perfomance enhancers and Nigerian accounting muddles? :-)
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Someone might invent some whizzmo-gizzmo that utilises the divulged physical properties revealed by said research, but at least we would all be on an equal footing with regard to launching into that.
One practical application I can think of is propulsion: using energy (equivalent to mass) to curve the space around the ship, so the ship accelerates by free-falling “down� the curved space... not on the phenomenally large macroscopic scale that nature does it, mind you, but perhaps more like parting the waters of the Higgs field with the ship's hull (constructed with an energized metamaterial, hopefully 'cloaking' the ship from gravitons in all directions except the preferred one, so to speak, if it turns out there is such a field and exchange particle :)
Very much looking forward to what will be learned this year and the next!
Someone might invent some whizzmo-gizzmo that utilises the divulged physical properties revealed by said research, but at least we would all be on an equal footing with regard to launching into that.
One practical application I can think of is propulsion: using energy (equivalent to mass) to curve the space around the ship, so the ship accelerates by free-falling “down� the curved space... not on the phenomenally large macroscopic scale that nature does it, mind you, but perhaps more like parting the waters of the Higgs field with the ship's hull (constructed with an energized metamaterial, hopefully 'cloaking' the ship from gravitons in all directions except the preferred one, so to speak, if it turns out there is such a field and exchange particle :)
Very much looking forward to what will be learned this year and the next!
Is that what some refer to as WARP drive? Something like shrinking time/space in front of you and expanding time/space behind you, in order to travel across time/space rather than through it?
Someone might invent some whizzmo-gizzmo that utilises the divulged physical properties revealed by said research, but at least we would all be on an equal footing with regard to launching into that.
One practical application I can think of is propulsion: using energy (equivalent to mass) to curve the space around the ship, so the ship accelerates by free-falling “down� the curved space... not on the phenomenally large macroscopic scale that nature does it, mind you, but perhaps more like parting the waters of the Higgs field with the ship's hull (constructed with an energized metamaterial, hopefully 'cloaking' the ship from gravitons in all directions except the preferred one, so to speak, if it turns out there is such a field and exchange particle :)
Very much looking forward to what will be learned this year and the next!
Is that what some refer to as WARP drive? Something like shrinking time/space in front of you and expanding time/space behind you, in order to travel across time/space rather than through it?
You mean as in the Alcubierre drive? (click pic for link to wiki page)
Well, I was thinking compress/expand spacetime (as you said), or side-step it altogether by reflecting / refracting gravitons, which have integer spin (2) similar to the photon (spin 1). If the matter within the region bounded by the hull could be prevented from exchanging gravitons, could you still say it will have mass? Or could you regard it as “potential� mass having negligible “effective� mass?
Someone might invent some whizzmo-gizzmo that utilises the divulged physical properties revealed by said research, but at least we would all be on an equal footing with regard to launching into that.
One practical application I can think of is propulsion: using energy (equivalent to mass) to curve the space around the ship, so the ship accelerates by free-falling “down� the curved space... not on the phenomenally large macroscopic scale that nature does it, mind you, but perhaps more like parting the waters of the Higgs field with the ship's hull (constructed with an energized metamaterial, hopefully 'cloaking' the ship from gravitons in all directions except the preferred one, so to speak, if it turns out there is such a field and exchange particle :)
Very much looking forward to what will be learned this year and the next!
Is that what some refer to as WARP drive? Something like shrinking time/space in front of you and expanding time/space behind you, in order to travel across time/space rather than through it?
You mean as in the Alcubierre drive? (click pic for link to wiki page)
Well, I was thinking compress/expand spacetime (as you said), or side-step it altogether by reflecting / refracting gravitons, which have integer spin (2) similar to the photon (spin 1). If the matter within the region bounded by the hull could be prevented from exchanging gravitons, could you still say it will have mass? Or could you regard it as “potential� mass having negligible “effective� mass?
Exactly, the link to 3. The Physics of the Aclubierre drive answered many questions.
Wow, you do find some stuff Chipper!
I had no idea that there was serious speculation about this sort of area. :-)
Certainly not confined to Star Trek etc.
Actually alot of SciFi is not as silly as it sounds, particularly with the likes of Clarke, Niven and similiar.
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Well, not withstanding some
)
Well, not withstanding some terrific applications of gravity waves for the general or specific good, I do recall somewhere ( I think the LIGO collaboration's charter? ) which indicates that the scientific output ( ie. knowledge ) will be published. I think that derives from requirements of the fundholders, in this case the US government's National Science Foundation - please correct if anyone has special knowledge here. That insertion into the public domain will therefore negate any possibility of control via patenting etc per se.
Someone might invent some whizzmo-gizzmo that utilises the divulged physical properties revealed by said research, but at least we would all be on an equal footing with regard to launching into that.
Maybe a better mouse trap? :-)
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
Volunteering\\Donating crunch
)
Volunteering\\Donating crunch time to a "for profit" venture, may seem somewhat undesireable. But, for instance, if Einstein@Home was "for profit", the project may have a profitable advantage, but as long as the results are made known in one fashion or another, the usefulness and purpose of the data collected would be advantageous nonetheless. Even with some projects, where the outcome results are not made known to all at finish, they still benefit by adding knowledge.
Also the funding required for a given project may exceed government grants and donations, and if profits gained are used to assist further study, I would not be against the idea...
Like it was previously said, patents do not last forever. And following that idea, many of the inventions made over the last 200 years started with one company and one producer, which may seem to some as a monopoly, but the knowledge grew, beyond, to the general public to further advance technology and industrial adavancement. Alas, hide, sell or dispense the information, we'll still find it.. ;) Haha
NOTE: Even though I was using Einstein@Home as a "for instance" example, it is my opinion, and seemingly the public overall opinion, that it is not "for profit"
d3xt3r.net
Thanks to all for the input.
)
Thanks to all for the input. The list (of BOINC projects and their status as either profit or not-for-profit) I was putting together when I started this thread can be found here. It's not a definitive list, but I think it's reasonably accurate.
The whole for-profit issue as it relates to BOINC can be debated, obviously, and while I'd personally prefer to work on not-for-profit projects, I can certainly see the question from multiple viewpoints. More than anything, I wanted to put the list together to gather the information into one place, so that every new BOINC user doesn't have to go poking around everywhere to find it. I think it would be helpful (and quite easy at that) for every project to state their (non)profit status right up front on their respective home pages - but in lieu of that, I wanted the info to be easily accessible to all.
Overall it seems most people
)
Overall it seems most people are somewhat leery of contributing in the following scenario, or variant:
- a private enterprise
- not wanting to pay commercial rates for computing
- that they have a lot of it to do
- which would cost a fortune
- without necessarily a 'viable' result
- thus not even 'angel' investors will touch it
- much less conservative shareholders with some teeth on the directors
- so lets dupe volunteers to contribute
- using some sort of 'for the good of us all' line
- getting some sort of 'killer application' from the computing output
- which winds up as a private cash cow
- and then ha ha, there was no contract, no comeback, more fool you etc.
It's classic human nature to want to socialise the loss, but privatise the gain. In addition the Internet is particularly rife with the scams and such - have any of us not been presented with schemes for anatomical/perfomance enhancers and Nigerian accounting muddles? :-)
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
RE: Someone might invent
)
One practical application I can think of is propulsion: using energy (equivalent to mass) to curve the space around the ship, so the ship accelerates by free-falling “down� the curved space... not on the phenomenally large macroscopic scale that nature does it, mind you, but perhaps more like parting the waters of the Higgs field with the ship's hull (constructed with an energized metamaterial, hopefully 'cloaking' the ship from gravitons in all directions except the preferred one, so to speak, if it turns out there is such a field and exchange particle :)
Very much looking forward to what will be learned this year and the next!
RE: RE: Someone might
)
Is that what some refer to as WARP drive? Something like shrinking time/space in front of you and expanding time/space behind you, in order to travel across time/space rather than through it?
RE: RE: RE: Someone
)
You mean as in the Alcubierre drive?
(click pic for link to wiki page)
Well, I was thinking compress/expand spacetime (as you said), or side-step it altogether by reflecting / refracting gravitons, which have integer spin (2) similar to the photon (spin 1). If the matter within the region bounded by the hull could be prevented from exchanging gravitons, could you still say it will have mass? Or could you regard it as “potential� mass having negligible “effective� mass?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Someo
)
Exactly, the link to 3. The Physics of the Aclubierre drive answered many questions.
Wow, you do find some stuff
)
Wow, you do find some stuff Chipper!
I had no idea that there was serious speculation about this sort of area. :-)
Certainly not confined to Star Trek etc.
Actually alot of SciFi is not as silly as it sounds, particularly with the likes of Clarke, Niven and similiar.
Cheers, Mike.
I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter ...
... and my other CPU is a Ryzen 5950X :-) Blaise Pascal
NASA Breakthrough Propulsion
)
NASA Breakthrough Propulsion program for investigating warp drives and other interesting stuff.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.
