Hi!
What people are experiencing here wrt credits is a combination of many things.
1 the average credit was reduced by 25% for S5R4 compared to S5R3 as announced.
2 the claimed credit is currently independent of the granted credit, and found to be much lower atm.
3 the workunits generated at first by the S5R4 workunit generator all at the upper end of the runtime variation for a given frequency band. They should average out over time, but at the beginning we got all "bad" ones.
I intend to fix 2 in the next few days, it's an unwanted side-effect of our efforts to fix the "duration correction factor". I hope to be able to fix 3 in a longer term in the workunit generator. For now I bumped up the credit (for newly generated workunits) manually by 15% (>= 13.9%) based on the following database queries (we gave 28% more credit than SETI at the end of S5R3):
mysql> select avg(granted_credit/cpu_time) from result where name like '%S5R3%' and granted_credit>0 and cpu_time>1000; +------------------------------+ | avg(granted_credit/cpu_time) | +------------------------------+ | 0.0095896610820667 | +------------------------------+ 1 row in set (1.36 sec)
mysql> select avg(granted_credit/cpu_time) from result where name like '%S5R4%' and granted_credit>0 and cpu_time>1000;
+------------------------------+
| avg(granted_credit/cpu_time) |
+------------------------------+
| 0.0061389230693111 |
+------------------------------+
1 row in set (1.42 sec)
mysql> select 0.0061 / 0.0095;
+-----------------+
| 0.0061 / 0.0095 |
+-----------------+
| 0.642105 |
+-----------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
mysql> select 1/1.28;
+--------+
| 1/1.28 |
+--------+
| 0.7812 |
+--------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
mysql> select 0.7812 - 0.642105;
+-------------------+
| 0.7812 - 0.642105 |
+-------------------+
| 0.139095 |
+-------------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
We'll keep watching these numbers and adjust credits as needed.
BM
BM
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Credit adjustment
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Thanks Bernd, appreciate the news updates.
Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.
@ Bernd My Pentium 4
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@ Bernd
My Pentium 4 2.4GHz system just reported in a task.
With the "old" way, the cr/hr calculation is as follows:
65.5923 * 2.92 = 191.53
191.53 * 3600 / 98616.8 = 6.99 (or approximately 7) cr/hr
Increasing by 15% gives:
7 * 1.15 = 8.05
Unless SETI's reduction, which hasn't happened yet, manages to reduce the amount I can get with the optimized application by more than 50% (currently getting 17/hr), then SETI has a "loophole advantage" with the optimized applications.
I would hope that after the disparity between the Linux and Windows apps that you have talked about takes place, further reductions here would not be implemented to reachieve "parity" if such a loophole is present.
Additionally, see my post in the "Thoughts on credits" thread about the implied work level of two identical systems processing 2000 tasks each... here
Just an FYI, none of my boxes
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Just an FYI, none of my boxes are accepting R4 work and I am running out of R3's, so the backups of Rosetta and Seti are taking over full time on them.
RE: Just an FYI, none of my
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If you have been using the Power or Beta apps, then you will need to adjust or delete your app_info.xml file and restart BOINC. See this thread.
Seti Classic Final Total: 11446 WU.
Thank you, sir.
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Thank you, sir.
5 Aug 2008 10:18:07 UTC 7
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5 Aug 2008 10:18:07 UTC
7 Aug 2008 21:16:51 UTC
Over Success Done
78,994.63 claimed credit 65.83 and granted credit 192.24
I have turned in 8 so far and all the granted credits go up around that amount.
I'm not sure how is this 25%
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I'm not sure how is this 25% decrease. True I get 25% less credit per unit, but it takes me twice as long to complete a work unit than it did for S5R3 units with optimized client.
RE: I'm not sure how is
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Try reading this message which explains very good reasons why a certain average reduction might translate to a big reduction for some but a very much smaller reduction for others.
If you were using the best optimised app for S5R3, you will be using the same for S5R4 (ie no further performance gain). Anyone using the Windows stock app for S5R3 will now be using a better optimised app for S5R4 and will see a performance gain which will cushion the fall due to the average credit reduction.
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: I'm not sure how is
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There's no way to arrange the credits so that everybody sees the same credit reduction. Note that most Windows users were still using the rather slow stock app at the end of the S5R3 run, which is now replaced by a much faster one. On the other hand, if you were already using an optimized app at the end of the S5R3 run, the stock app in S5R4 is essentially the same as the power app before.
If credit was reduced in a way that the optimized app users would see only a 25% credit reduction, actually most Win users would see a credit boost (!!) because the performance gain for the stock Windows app is far more than 25 %. Instead of closing the gap in comparison to other projects, the gap would actually widen a bit!
So to bring the *overall* credit rate down by a factor of 1.25 or 1.28 or whatever, credits have to be adjusted in a way that power app users will see a greater reduction, and stock app users will see less of a reduction (relatively).
Sounds unfair at first, but if you think about it, it's perfectly fair. Everybody is now using "optimized" apps because they were made the stock app. and of course credit cannot and should not be awarded depending on what app you happened to use in the previous run :-).
CU
Bikeman
EDIT: Gary was faster and more economical in making a reference :-). I hope by rephrasing everything a bit I made it a bit clearer.
Ok, thanks, I understand now.
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Ok, thanks, I understand now.