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Mr P Hucker
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archae86 wrote: Peter Hucker

archae86 wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:
I'm surprised they fail on a card that good.  It has 6GB?

If you clicked on Tullio's computers link, you could see that the card in question is reported as "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB (3072MB)".

The 3GB model is cut back a little from the standard 1060 in some other aspects than memory size, also.

That's absurd that two cards with the same model number could be so different.  It should be called something like a 1050.  I simply googled the specs of a 1060 and got 6GB.  I seriously hate Nvidia.

I don't even bother attempting gravity on a card under 4GB, as some of the tasks are as high as 3.2GB.  I've even stopped it on my 4GB card, as it requires more CPU assistance than I can provide (and will only use 1 core - 2 WUs on the card will make it run out of memory).

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They're different, but not

They're different, but not "so" different. The 3GB model is cut to 90% of the cores, just 1 SM smaller, so it's not a huge change, and performance in gaming (what the card was designed for) was about the same. 
 

GTX 1060 6GB (10 SMs - 1280 cores, 6GB 192-bit DDR5) 

GTX 1060 3GB (9 SMs - 1152 cores, 3GB 192-bit DDR5) 

they couldn't have called it a 1050 or 1050ti since those products already exist with different specs and historically there is no sku between a "ti" of one line and the next line up. No point lamenting about the naming now, it's a product about to be 3 generations old very soon and the name will never change. It is what it is. 

GTX 1050 (5 SMs - 640 cores, 2GB 128-bit DDR5)

GTX 1050ti (6 SMs - 768 cores, 4GB 128-bit DDR5)

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Ian&Steve C. wrote: They're

Ian&Steve C. wrote:

They're different, but not "so" different. The 3GB model is cut to 90% of the cores, just 1 SM smaller, so it's not a huge change, and performance in gaming (what the card was designed for) was about the same. 
 

GTX 1060 6GB (10 SMs - 1280 cores, 6GB 192-bit DDR5) 

GTX 1060 3GB (9 SMs - 1152 cores, 3GB 192-bit DDR5) 

they couldn't have called it a 1050 or 1050ti since those products already exist with different specs and historically there is no sku between a "ti" of one line and the next line up. No point lamenting about the naming now, it's a product about to be 3 generations old very soon and the name will never change. It is what it is. 

GTX 1050 (5 SMs - 640 cores, 2GB 128-bit DDR5)

GTX 1050ti (6 SMs - 768 cores, 4GB 128-bit DDR5)

Adding the ti is fine, it tells you you get something extra.  But when I look up a model name, I expect to be able to find what I'm buying.  Imagine you saw a 1060 for sale, looked it up, found the 6GB specs and bought it, then got half the RAM you expected.  It's just another brick in the wall for Nvidia as far as I'm concerned.  AMD has never annoyed me with things like this, and their drivers work a lot more reliably, and they don't deliberately sabotage OpenCL.  I treat them like Apple, reinventing the wheel and making them incompatible with everything else.

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In Asteroids@home my card

In Asteroids@home my card uses cuda102, in GPUGRID cuda101. Cannot remember what it uses in Milkyway@home, it is not running now. But GPU-Z gives Video RAM 700 MB in Asteroids, 400 MB in Milkyway.

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I've never seen a 1060 for

I've never seen a 1060 for sale that didn't list the memory size of the card, since that's what differentiates the two models. 
 

AMD does the exact same thing. The RX 470, RX 480, RX 570, RX 580 all were available in both 4GB and 8GB variants. 

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tullio wrote: In

tullio wrote:

In Asteroids@home my card uses cuda102, in GPUGRID cuda101. Cannot remember what it uses in Milkyway@home, it is not running now. But GPU-Z gives Video RAM 700 MB in Asteroids, 400 MB in Milkyway.

Tullio

I guess if you have Nvidia cards, you might have to change to Cuda projects.

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Ian&Steve C. wrote:I've

Ian&Steve C. wrote:

I've never seen a 1060 for sale that didn't list the memory size of the card, since that's what differentiates the two models. 

It's something I might overlook when buying 2nd hand.

Ian&Steve C. wrote:

AMD does the exact same thing. The RX 470, RX 480, RX 570, RX 580 all were available in both 4GB and 8GB variants. 

I've never come across one like that.  All I see every day is people having difficulties for a variety of reasons with Nvidia cards.  And when I go to buy a card, I find more power for the dollar in AMD cards.  And this nonsense with them being optimized for Cuda and rubbish at OpenCL on purpose, that would be like buying a Dell computer which runs Windows fast but Linux slowly, and denying you half of your own RAM.

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Ian&Steve C. wrote: I've

Ian&Steve C. wrote:

I've never seen a 1060 for sale that didn't list the memory size of the card, since that's what differentiates the two models. 
 

AMD does the exact same thing. The RX 470, RX 480, RX 570, RX 580 all were available in both 4GB and 8GB variants. 

For what it is worth I am running an AMD 480 and have been very pleased with it performance since day one.  Get ready for it:  Summer is almost here and I will have to take it off line to reduce the heat within the house.  I hate to do that but ....

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robl wrote:For what it is

robl wrote:

For what it is worth I am running an AMD 480 and have been very pleased with it performance since day one.  Get ready for it:  Summer is almost here and I will have to take it off line to reduce the heat within the house.  I hate to do that but ....

Why not just open a window?  Or use air conditioning?  I'm about to replace my 25 year old gas boiler (I think Merkins call it a furnace) with a heat pump.  £400 = about $600? and it cools or heats or dehumidifies or removes dust as required.

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Peter Hucker wrote: robl

Peter Hucker wrote:

robl wrote:

For what it is worth I am running an AMD 480 and have been very pleased with it performance since day one.  Get ready for it:  Summer is almost here and I will have to take it off line to reduce the heat within the house.  I hate to do that but ....

Why not just open a window?  Or use air conditioning?  I'm about to replace my 25 year old gas boiler (I think Merkins call it a furnace) with a heat pump.  £400 = about $600? and it cools or heats or dehumidifies or removes dust as required. 

I have had heat pump for a long time and would get rig of them in a heartbeat if Ihad the chance!! They are noisy in the wintertime when they go into the defrost cycyle and although they do work in the summer  time they won't guarantee to cool more than 20F below the outside temp. So when it hits 100F+ outside the thing struggles to keep the house cool, you'd think you could just get a bigger one but NOOO because then it won't run long  enough on the normaly hot days to justify the cost. In the winter the air that comes out is NOT hot air it's WARM air, meaning if it blows on you it feels cool. If it get's below 40F outside the efficiency goes thru the floor and gets worse as the temps go down. One good thing people can do is replace the backup wires with a propane or natural gas heater box so the electicity costs go way down when it can't keep up because it's too cold or you asked for it to be more than 2 degrees warmer than it  currently is. Yes you have to get up and change it  so it doesn't get warmer than 2 degrees at a time or the wires come on. Also if you don't get the right kind of  thermostat to only ask for 2 degrees at a time then you can't use the temp setback feature at night. YES a heatpump is cheaper than two seperate systems. Fortunately for me I do have some propane fired gas logs I use in the Winter to warm up the house on the chilly mornings, they aren't great but they do warm up the house especially after I had a fan installed in them.

In my computer room I had mini-splits installed and that is also a heatpump but was much cheaper  than a standard a/c system because it required no duct work, I had one room to do so it was really easy. If I had had to do more rooms I would have gone with a regular a/c system with duct work. It will never run in the heatpump mode except for testing by the guy doing the servicing while I live here.

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