I scrolled to the bottom and clicked on show advanced view, and changed some of my settings to allow more computer resources to be used, but am still am not getting any work from E@H, although I am getting a LOT of work from Rosetta.
Please tell me what Hekp stands for, and I will look for those menus, Manuals, and Documentations to read.
I have tried searching some of the forums, and will try some more.
Thanks again for sharing the knowledge, and for your time.
Thank you for making your computer (there is only, correct?) visible.
Now, if you follow my other advice, and click on the last contact link, you can learn a bit more.
The contact log I see just before this typing is time-stamped:
2020-10-04 18:43:32.3442
As to requesting work, the key text is this:
" CUDA: req 51840.00 sec,"
so you are requesting work.
It gives a reason that on this exchange you did not receive any new work:
"stopping work search - daily quota exceeded (16>=16)
Daily result quota 16 exceeded for host 12851281"
So it is clearly saying it did send you some tasks today, but that your task limit has been reduced to a very low level (16 per day) which normally implies that your system has generated many errors.
A review of that possibility is readily performed by clicking on the tasks link for that host.
Of 248 tasks currently visible for that host (they get retired from visiblity some days after reaching final status), we see that 227 generated an error condition, 12 ran to completion, passed sanity checks, and agreed with a quorum partner, and were declared Valid, and got credit.
ALL 12 of these tasks were CPU tasks, some Gamma-ray, and some gravity wave.
There are also currently 7 pending tasks, which ran to completion on your machine and were returned without detected error, but are currently waiting for a quorum partner return for comparison. Again ALL 7 of these are CPU tasks, a mix of gamma-ray and Gravity wave.
The 227 Error tasks are ALL Gravity wave GPU tasks. All of these failed very soon after starting, with run times between 36 and 83 elapsed seconds.
These 227 errors account for every single Gravity Wave GPU task assigned to your machine in the last six days.
Your machine is currently unable to run Einstein Gravity Wave GPU work successfully. Until you can remedy that, I suggest you use project preferences to stop this machine from requesting Einstein Gravity Wave GPU work. You are wasting your own and the project's resources in making these requests in the current condition.
Perhaps another user will spot this thread and give you advice on just what your problem might be, but I don't recognize it and can offer no help on fixing it.
You might consider turning off Einstein Gravity Wave GPU work requests and turning on Einstein Gamma-Ray pulsar GPU work requests. The requirements are quite different, and it can be that a machine which fails on the one may succeed on the other.
I scrolled to the bottom and clicked on show advanced view, and changed some of my settings to allow more computer resources to be used, but am still am not getting any work from E@H, although I am getting a LOT of work from Rosetta.
Please tell me what Hekp stands for, and I will look for those menus, Manuals, and Documentations to read.
I think it may be a GPU driver compatibility problem or possibly related to the chip model (Quadro M5500). Windows 10.00.20226.00 is an insider preview version that also forces its own driver for Nvidia cards. Looks like version 460.15 in this case.
I had similar situation about a month ago or so where a host that was running a couple of steps older insider preview version with Nvidia card. All GW GPU tasks errored out early in the beginning. The current version though seems to be able to run GW GPU work just fine. My host is a desktop computer with a Geforce card and Charles' computer seems to be mobile computer with Quadro card. I see currently we are running different GPU driver versions in these.
edit: Well, I checked the Nvidia developer site and the current driver version for also Quadro cards is 460.20. Charles, I think you could try if Windows 'update' would install the newer driver for you system. I assume it would be available. The Quadro driver could be downloaded from the developer site also, but requires to be a member of that developer site thing.
Also another version of the GPU driver could be tested, but it's difficult in the insider version as it doesn't want to have anything else than the forced versions. So a test would require downloading some GW GPU tasks, downloading a normal Quadro driver for Windows 10, disconnecting from internet, wiping the Windows driver packages to prevent it from replacing the driver again and such a mess...
edit2: I put that 460.20 Quadro driver here if you'd like to try if it worked in your system:
You accurately analyzed the problem, that only GPU tasks were failing, and why, the NVIDIA Quadro 5500 Driver 460.15, probably forced by the Windows 10.00.20226.00 is an insider preview version, and you even offered me a way out, by determining the current driver, 460.20, and even offering me a link to that driver, which I downloaded and installed from your link, and appears to have worked, as the last task fail I saw this morning was from just past midnight UTC on 1 October, which was just after the latest Windows Insider Preview update.
Thanks again for offering that driver link, because, as you surmised, I am not a member of the Nvidia developer site thing. I guess I should see if I can become a member, or, failing that, sign up for mega.nz.
Wiping the Windows GPU driver packages sounds like a good idea, but I don't know how to do that. I will offer feedback to the Windows Insider program on the outdated Quadro 5500 driver though...
I am participating in the Windows Insider Program to give them an opportunity to test how prospective Windows 10 builds work on older computers, such as my Msi i7 machine, and my even older Sony VAIO i5 machine.
I haven't tried to participate in the BOINC program with the older SONY VAIO i5 machine yet.
You are also right, that my host is a mobile (Msi) computer with a Quadro card, which, thanks to your fix, is now running 24/7 fairly warm, even with a Nobebird laptop cooling pad underneath it, and two OPOLAR laptop coolers on the two exhaust vents on the back of the Msi laptop.
Both OPOLAR coolers are now registering exhaust air tempratures of 115 Farenheit, coming out of the Msi laptop exhaust vents, which makes me wonder what effect this might have on my Msi laptop, which I like. Perhaps I should cut down on the number of tasks the computer is requesting and processing...
I think I should probably either build or purchase from eBay a desktop to devote to BOINC data processing. I gather that any desktop that I build or purchase should have a fairly robust cooling system, fast and robust CPU(s), and good GPU(s).
If you have any suggestions for such a BOINC dedicated desktop, I would very much appreciate them. I would probably also use such a desktop for some other purposes, like photography processing and storage, possibly video editing, and watching the occasional movie.
It will be some time, probably months, before I have the time and disposable money to build or purchase a BOINC dedicated desktop, so if you have any suggestions about using my Msi laptop (like "stop it before you destroy your laptop"), I would appreciate that as well.
Also, I wasn't being "smart" when I asked what "Hekp" meant, I was being dense... Thank you again for recommending advanced menus, the Help menus, Manuals, and Documentations.
Thank you again for your suggestions. Once you recommended making my computer visible, I was glad to do so, once another user pointed me to exactly how to do that.
I am new to E@H and BOINC, and your observations and suggestions have all been very helpful and educational for me, which I appreciate.
Gradually, suggestions, observations, and feedback from you and other users are helping me to better understand how to use BOINC and E@H.
Thank you also for pointing out that the problems were with my machine handling GPU tasks, which opened the door to the solution, the new GPU driver suggested by Richie, which appears to have fixed the issue with my host, given that I haven't noticed any more GPU task fails after that new GPU driver installation.
Charles, good to hear that you got GW GPU tasks working! I'm still wondering though why the information page of your computer shows driver 460.15 .
I don't think there's a need to wipe the Windows driver packages now. But it could be done through the 'disk cleanup' tool in Windows and choosing 'cleanup system files'. After scanning the situation that tool would then allow to choose also 'driver packages' for cleanup.
About temperatures... I don't know much about laptops, but to my ear 115 Fahrenheit (about 46 C ) sounds quite mild for exhaust. But you could see actual internal temperatures nicely with a handy software like GPU-Z or MSI Afterburner (has download links available at almost bottom of the page). A user can choose the sensor data he likes to see (only the CPU and GPU temps for example). Those cooling accessories for laptops are a good thing for sure if you like to run Boinc intensively.
I'm not sure if Quadro chips can be forced for power limiting, but you could try if MSI Afterburner can limit max power or max temperature of the card. That software is able to do that for Geforce cards. Modern chips will limit themselves to prevent from running critically hot, but with the software you could set the limits much lower (if it is compatible with Quadro). I don't believe that your laptop is going to fry too soon, but check out if you could get some sensor readings out from those apps. Extra heat is not good for components, but the effect doesn't come in a straight line and so on. I would say a little bit of extra warmth doesn't mean much if it's constant. Sharp temperature changes are worse than running the board constantly a little bit warm. Computers are killed by cold starts.
From what you wrote about getting a dedicated computer for running Boinc tasks... I think you had good points there. I'm running quite old junk myself and I'm not an expert at all on suggesting components for a new build. In the end I think it comes very much to the available budget also. How much to spend on the machine. And personal preferences on the subject.
I think you can't go wrong if you started by aimimg for a middle level CPU made in the few recent years. Then if you would like to run mainly GPU tasks you could be doing nicely even with a lower level CPU. It would be a good idea to search the forums at that time to see how the current GPU apps run then (some requirements and user experiences). Even a powerful GPU may run nicely with a lesser CPU support, but that is something to check when the time comes. "Crunchers corner" at this forum has nice threads about running the latest GPU models with the current GPU apps.
If you'd love to run a plethora of GPU and CPU tasks at the same time then you would benefit from having more cores/threads (so maybe forget about 4 core CPUs in that case). Video editing would benefit of course from having a bit more RAM. Some people would likely say the late AMD Ryzen cpus would give a good amount of processing power for the money. Intel or AMD... a good CPU cooler would always be a good investment for a desktop cruncher if planning to run CPU tasks. I've always used Noctua coolers (NH-D14, NH-D15). On the other hand, you wouldn't need a hefty CPU cooler if running only GPU tasks. On the third hand, a good CPU cooler would better allow also overclocking of the CPU if you got interested in pushing the clock speeds.
I'm sure you'll end up with a nice cruncher, no matter what you decided. And it tends to be fascinating process in itself to think about the options, make the plans and fire it up ! :)
Thank you for the
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Thank you for the advice!
I don't know exactly where to find the settings page so I can choose another kind of gpu tasks to get.
If you could tell me where to find those settings, it would be great.
In the meantime, I will look around to try and find them.
Best Regards,
Charlie
Welcome to
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Welcome to E@H!
Try:
Account
Preferences
Project
scroll to bottom and at right hand side click on (show advanced view).
then check what you want and don't forget the "save" button at the bottom!
I hope that is what you meant.
By the way: There are Hekp menus, Manuals and Dokumentations to read.
And even better: Many "answers" to your questions if you try the "search" option in the forum.
San-Fernando-Valley,
)
San-Fernando-Valley,
Thank you for the welcome, and for the advice!
I scrolled to the bottom and clicked on show advanced view, and changed some of my settings to allow more computer resources to be used, but am still am not getting any work from E@H, although I am getting a LOT of work from Rosetta.
Please tell me what Hekp stands for, and I will look for those menus, Manuals, and Documentations to read.
I have tried searching some of the forums, and will try some more.
Thanks again for sharing the knowledge, and for your time.
Best Regards,
Charlie
Charles Raimondi wrote:but am
)
Thank you for making your computer (there is only, correct?) visible.
Now, if you follow my other advice, and click on the last contact link, you can learn a bit more.
The contact log I see just before this typing is time-stamped:
2020-10-04 18:43:32.3442
As to requesting work, the key text is this:
" CUDA: req 51840.00 sec,"
so you are requesting work.
It gives a reason that on this exchange you did not receive any new work:
"stopping work search - daily quota exceeded (16>=16)
Daily result quota 16 exceeded for host 12851281"
So it is clearly saying it did send you some tasks today, but that your task limit has been reduced to a very low level (16 per day) which normally implies that your system has generated many errors.
A review of that possibility is readily performed by clicking on the tasks link for that host.
Of 248 tasks currently visible for that host (they get retired from visiblity some days after reaching final status), we see that 227 generated an error condition, 12 ran to completion, passed sanity checks, and agreed with a quorum partner, and were declared Valid, and got credit.
ALL 12 of these tasks were CPU tasks, some Gamma-ray, and some gravity wave.
There are also currently 7 pending tasks, which ran to completion on your machine and were returned without detected error, but are currently waiting for a quorum partner return for comparison. Again ALL 7 of these are CPU tasks, a mix of gamma-ray and Gravity wave.
The 227 Error tasks are ALL Gravity wave GPU tasks. All of these failed very soon after starting, with run times between 36 and 83 elapsed seconds.
These 227 errors account for every single Gravity Wave GPU task assigned to your machine in the last six days.
Your machine is currently unable to run Einstein Gravity Wave GPU work successfully. Until you can remedy that, I suggest you use project preferences to stop this machine from requesting Einstein Gravity Wave GPU work. You are wasting your own and the project's resources in making these requests in the current condition.
Perhaps another user will spot this thread and give you advice on just what your problem might be, but I don't recognize it and can offer no help on fixing it.
You might consider turning off Einstein Gravity Wave GPU work requests and turning on Einstein Gamma-Ray pulsar GPU work requests. The requirements are quite different, and it can be that a machine which fails on the one may succeed on the other.
Good luck on chasing down your problem.
Charles Raimondi
)
It means 'Help' it was a typo
I think it may be a GPU
)
I think it may be a GPU driver compatibility problem or possibly related to the chip model (Quadro M5500). Windows 10.00.20226.00 is an insider preview version that also forces its own driver for Nvidia cards. Looks like version 460.15 in this case.
I had similar situation about a month ago or so where a host that was running a couple of steps older insider preview version with Nvidia card. All GW GPU tasks errored out early in the beginning. The current version though seems to be able to run GW GPU work just fine. My host is a desktop computer with a Geforce card and Charles' computer seems to be mobile computer with Quadro card. I see currently we are running different GPU driver versions in these.
edit: Well, I checked the Nvidia developer site and the current driver version for also Quadro cards is 460.20. Charles, I think you could try if Windows 'update' would install the newer driver for you system. I assume it would be available. The Quadro driver could be downloaded from the developer site also, but requires to be a member of that developer site thing.
Also another version of the GPU driver could be tested, but it's difficult in the insider version as it doesn't want to have anything else than the forced versions. So a test would require downloading some GW GPU tasks, downloading a normal Quadro driver for Windows 10, disconnecting from internet, wiping the Windows driver packages to prevent it from replacing the driver again and such a mess...
edit2: I put that 460.20 Quadro driver here if you'd like to try if it worked in your system:
https://mega.nz/file/YN0mybZC#Y2cwEbLX-NrXAvzqk-539bAW6VqXT2sxEkrsCBeyDfE
Richie, Thank
)
Richie,
Thank you!
You accurately analyzed the problem, that only GPU tasks were failing, and why, the NVIDIA Quadro 5500 Driver 460.15, probably forced by the Windows 10.00.20226.00 is an insider preview version, and you even offered me a way out, by determining the current driver, 460.20, and even offering me a link to that driver, which I downloaded and installed from your link, and appears to have worked, as the last task fail I saw this morning was from just past midnight UTC on 1 October, which was just after the latest Windows Insider Preview update.
Thanks again for offering that driver link, because, as you surmised, I am not a member of the Nvidia developer site thing. I guess I should see if I can become a member, or, failing that, sign up for mega.nz.
Wiping the Windows GPU driver packages sounds like a good idea, but I don't know how to do that. I will offer feedback to the Windows Insider program on the outdated Quadro 5500 driver though...
I am participating in the Windows Insider Program to give them an opportunity to test how prospective Windows 10 builds work on older computers, such as my Msi i7 machine, and my even older Sony VAIO i5 machine.
I haven't tried to participate in the BOINC program with the older SONY VAIO i5 machine yet.
You are also right, that my host is a mobile (Msi) computer with a Quadro card, which, thanks to your fix, is now running 24/7 fairly warm, even with a Nobebird laptop cooling pad underneath it, and two OPOLAR laptop coolers on the two exhaust vents on the back of the Msi laptop.
Both OPOLAR coolers are now registering exhaust air tempratures of 115 Farenheit, coming out of the Msi laptop exhaust vents, which makes me wonder what effect this might have on my Msi laptop, which I like. Perhaps I should cut down on the number of tasks the computer is requesting and processing...
I think I should probably either build or purchase from eBay a desktop to devote to BOINC data processing. I gather that any desktop that I build or purchase should have a fairly robust cooling system, fast and robust CPU(s), and good GPU(s).
If you have any suggestions for such a BOINC dedicated desktop, I would very much appreciate them. I would probably also use such a desktop for some other purposes, like photography processing and storage, possibly video editing, and watching the occasional movie.
It will be some time, probably months, before I have the time and disposable money to build or purchase a BOINC dedicated desktop, so if you have any suggestions about using my Msi laptop (like "stop it before you destroy your laptop"), I would appreciate that as well.
Best Regards,
Charlie
San-Fernando-Valley,
)
San-Fernando-Valley,
Thank you again for your help.
Also, I wasn't being "smart" when I asked what "Hekp" meant, I was being dense... Thank you again for recommending advanced menus, the Help menus, Manuals, and Documentations.
Best Regards,
Charlie
ARCHAE86, Thank you
)
ARCHAE86,
Thank you again for your suggestions. Once you recommended making my computer visible, I was glad to do so, once another user pointed me to exactly how to do that.
I am new to E@H and BOINC, and your observations and suggestions have all been very helpful and educational for me, which I appreciate.
Gradually, suggestions, observations, and feedback from you and other users are helping me to better understand how to use BOINC and E@H.
Thank you also for pointing out that the problems were with my machine handling GPU tasks, which opened the door to the solution, the new GPU driver suggested by Richie, which appears to have fixed the issue with my host, given that I haven't noticed any more GPU task fails after that new GPU driver installation.
Best Regards,
Charlie
Charles, good to hear that
)
Charles, good to hear that you got GW GPU tasks working! I'm still wondering though why the information page of your computer shows driver 460.15 .
I don't think there's a need to wipe the Windows driver packages now. But it could be done through the 'disk cleanup' tool in Windows and choosing 'cleanup system files'. After scanning the situation that tool would then allow to choose also 'driver packages' for cleanup.
About temperatures... I don't know much about laptops, but to my ear 115 Fahrenheit (about 46 C ) sounds quite mild for exhaust. But you could see actual internal temperatures nicely with a handy software like GPU-Z or MSI Afterburner (has download links available at almost bottom of the page). A user can choose the sensor data he likes to see (only the CPU and GPU temps for example). Those cooling accessories for laptops are a good thing for sure if you like to run Boinc intensively.
I'm not sure if Quadro chips can be forced for power limiting, but you could try if MSI Afterburner can limit max power or max temperature of the card. That software is able to do that for Geforce cards. Modern chips will limit themselves to prevent from running critically hot, but with the software you could set the limits much lower (if it is compatible with Quadro). I don't believe that your laptop is going to fry too soon, but check out if you could get some sensor readings out from those apps. Extra heat is not good for components, but the effect doesn't come in a straight line and so on. I would say a little bit of extra warmth doesn't mean much if it's constant. Sharp temperature changes are worse than running the board constantly a little bit warm. Computers are killed by cold starts.
From what you wrote about getting a dedicated computer for running Boinc tasks... I think you had good points there. I'm running quite old junk myself and I'm not an expert at all on suggesting components for a new build. In the end I think it comes very much to the available budget also. How much to spend on the machine. And personal preferences on the subject.
I think you can't go wrong if you started by aimimg for a middle level CPU made in the few recent years. Then if you would like to run mainly GPU tasks you could be doing nicely even with a lower level CPU. It would be a good idea to search the forums at that time to see how the current GPU apps run then (some requirements and user experiences). Even a powerful GPU may run nicely with a lesser CPU support, but that is something to check when the time comes. "Crunchers corner" at this forum has nice threads about running the latest GPU models with the current GPU apps.
If you'd love to run a plethora of GPU and CPU tasks at the same time then you would benefit from having more cores/threads (so maybe forget about 4 core CPUs in that case). Video editing would benefit of course from having a bit more RAM. Some people would likely say the late AMD Ryzen cpus would give a good amount of processing power for the money. Intel or AMD... a good CPU cooler would always be a good investment for a desktop cruncher if planning to run CPU tasks. I've always used Noctua coolers (NH-D14, NH-D15). On the other hand, you wouldn't need a hefty CPU cooler if running only GPU tasks. On the third hand, a good CPU cooler would better allow also overclocking of the CPU if you got interested in pushing the clock speeds.
I'm sure you'll end up with a nice cruncher, no matter what you decided. And it tends to be fascinating process in itself to think about the options, make the plans and fire it up ! :)