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RE: RE: Hello You

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Hello

You mention just one PC in your specs at the top - are you shoving RAM in and out and doing multiple re-installs, or are you the lucky possessor of lots of PCs (if this seems a daft statement - sorry I just woke up and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet..... Where I come from PCs are amazingly expensive).

Did you do any tweaking to the system/s at all, or are we talking about a stock "as recomended by Mr Bill Gates" install in all cases. While I don't suggest ripping files out of the Windows folder without any forethought, certainly the smaller that folder, the better (hence mine-own re-installs, much to the amusement of my friends) - there are certain files I remove as a matter of course tho'.

Also dropping the amount of running services in XP makes a difference, obviously, tho' again caution (and research) is required. There are one or two registry tweaks too, and things like no wall-paper, bare minimum desktop stuff (shove large folders elsewhere and make a shortcut rather) - hey I'm sure you know all this stuff, if you run all those boxes.

Gray

Hi Gary,
If you are talking to me...it is just one computer with a bunch of harddrives that I swap in and out. All of my install's are as bare bones as I can make it without resorting to third party software.

If you lookup my computers you will find two listed...they are one and the same puters...just the OS is different, and I can't merge them.

Hello Greg

The name IS Gray (just fer da record as it were) - I just went back over the benchmarks you supplied. Barring RAM you should have a rather more powerful PC than I, what with a good 400Mhz more cpu and I was REALLY suprised by your win98 benchmarks, as I found win98 simply flew on this box. XP ain't bad once it's tweaked a bit but still a tad resource hungry. I don't think the RAM really applies here, as we both have the same type and BOINC doesn't seem to push beyond 250 megs in my experience. A thought occurs - are you using Norton's antivirus or System Works by any chance. I ask 'cos back in the days of SETI Classic, when it was all we had (and 64 megs was system RAM, not that used by an out-of-date vid card...) I noticed that going from Nortons to AVG took well over an hour off my WU times, and then going to Nod32, gave me a bit more oomph again. You might also want to look at what is running in the background.

This is my latest benchmarks, with Windows Media Player 10 just installed as well as the latest BOINC. Windows folder is now around 998 megs.
1385 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
2757 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

BTW I don't overclock anything - tho' I admit to a Zalman fan or two to avoid the Jumbo Jet effects...

Gray

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RE: RE: RE: Hello You

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Hello

You mention just one PC in your specs at the top - are you shoving RAM in and out and doing multiple re-installs, or are you the lucky possessor of lots of PCs (if this seems a daft statement - sorry I just woke up and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet..... Where I come from PCs are amazingly expensive).

Did you do any tweaking to the system/s at all, or are we talking about a stock "as recomended by Mr Bill Gates" install in all cases. While I don't suggest ripping files out of the Windows folder without any forethought, certainly the smaller that folder, the better (hence mine-own re-installs, much to the amusement of my friends) - there are certain files I remove as a matter of course tho'.

Also dropping the amount of running services in XP makes a difference, obviously, tho' again caution (and research) is required. There are one or two registry tweaks too, and things like no wall-paper, bare minimum desktop stuff (shove large folders elsewhere and make a shortcut rather) - hey I'm sure you know all this stuff, if you run all those boxes.

Gray

Hi Gary,
If you are talking to me...it is just one computer with a bunch of harddrives that I swap in and out. All of my install's are as bare bones as I can make it without resorting to third party software.

If you lookup my computers you will find two listed...they are one and the same puters...just the OS is different, and I can't merge them.

Hello Greg

The name IS Gray (just fer da record as it were) - I just went back over the benchmarks you supplied. Barring RAM you should have a rather more powerful PC than I, what with a good 400Mhz more cpu and I was REALLY suprised by your win98 benchmarks, as I found win98 simply flew on this box. XP ain't bad once it's tweaked a bit but still a tad resource hungry. I don't think the RAM really applies here, as we both have the same type and BOINC doesn't seem to push beyond 250 megs in my experience. A thought occurs - are you using Norton's antivirus or System Works by any chance. I ask 'cos back in the days of SETI Classic, when it was all we had (and 64 megs was system RAM, not that used by an out-of-date vid card...) I noticed that going from Nortons to AVG took well over an hour off my WU times, and then going to Nod32, gave me a bit more oomph again. You might also want to look at what is running in the background.

This is my latest benchmarks, with Windows Media Player 10 just installed as well as the latest BOINC. Windows folder is now around 998 megs.
1385 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
2757 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

BTW I don't overclock anything - tho' I admit to a Zalman fan or two to avoid the Jumbo Jet effects...

Gray


Hi Gray,
Sorry about the name. Other then security updates, I have Zone Alarm(the free version), Spybot, and SpyGuard on my Win98 machine. I'm sure that if I had just a basic installation this thing would run a bit faster.

My Windows folder is at 488 Meg's, the whole harddrive is at 998 Megs and this is a 40 Gig harddrive. Typically...if I recall correctly, my base install of Windows98 is about 550 Meg's.

Greg

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RE: Well here is the result

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Well here is the result of the installation...

Asus P4P800-MX Motherboard
Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz
PC3200/400mhz 184 Pin DDR DIMM 512Meg Ram
Maxtor 40Gig Hard Drive
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Machine on WindowsXP/Multithreading on, 256Meg Ram Boinc 5.2.6
10/30/2005 02:15:31 PM||Running CPU benchmarks
10/30/2005 02:16:30 PM||Benchmark results:
10/30/2005 02:16:30 PM||Number of CPUs: 2
10/30/2005 02:16:30 PM||1303 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
10/30/2005 02:16:30 PM||1599 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
10/30/2005 02:16:30 PM||Finished CPU benchmarks
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Machine on Windows98/Multithreading on, 256Meg Ram Boinc 4.45.0
10/31/2005 06:09:49 PM||Running CPU benchmarks
10/31/2005 06:10:46 PM||Benchmark results:
10/31/2005 06:10:46 PM||Number of CPUs: 1
10/31/2005 06:10:46 PM||1379 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
10/31/2005 06:10:46 PM||2242 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
10/31/2005 06:10:46 PM||Finished CPU benchmarks
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Machine on Windows98/Multithreading off, 256Meg Ram Boinc 4.45.0
11/01/2005 07:59:36 PM||Running CPU benchmarks
11/01/2005 08:00:33 PM||Benchmark results:
11/01/2005 08:00:33 PM||Number of CPUs: 1
11/01/2005 08:00:33 PM||1478 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11/01/2005 08:00:33 PM||2294 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
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Machine on Windows98/Multithreading off, 512Meg Ram Boinc 4.45.0
11/05/2005 06:09:29 PM||Running CPU benchmarks
11/05/2005 06:10:26 PM||Benchmark results:
11/05/2005 06:10:26 PM||Number of CPUs: 1
11/05/2005 06:10:26 PM||1468 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11/05/2005 06:10:26 PM||2190 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
11/05/2005 06:10:26 PM||Finished CPU benchmarks
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Machine on Windows98/Multithreading off, 512Meg Ram Boinc 5.2.6
11/07/2005 07:38:45 AM||Starting BOINC client version 5.2.6 for windows_intelx86
11/07/2005 07:38:45 AM||libcurl/7.14.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8 zlib/1.2.3
11/07/2005 07:38:45 AM||Data directory: C:\\PROGRAM FILES\\BOINC
11/07/2005 07:38:46 AM||Processor: 1 GenuineIntel x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 1
11/07/2005 07:38:46 AM||Memory: 502.76 MB physical, 1.51 GB virtual
11/07/2005 07:38:46 AM||Disk: 37.26 GB total, 36.48 GB free
11/07/2005 07:38:46 AM||Version change detected (4.45.0 -> 5.2.6); running CPU benchmarks

11/07/2005 07:38:52 AM||Running CPU benchmarks
11/07/2005 07:39:51 AM||Benchmark results:
11/07/2005 07:39:51 AM||Number of CPUs: 1
11/07/2005 07:39:51 AM||1401 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11/07/2005 07:39:51 AM||2431 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
11/07/2005 07:39:51 AM||Finished CPU benchmarks

All in all not to bad...any insights? Thank for the help.

Hi All,
It maybe bad from to reply to ones own posting...but just wanted to show you the benchmarks after ajusting the hardware and file system on Windows98:

11/09/2005 08:51:35 PM||Benchmark results:
11/09/2005 08:51:35 PM||Number of CPUs: 1
11/09/2005 08:51:35 PM||1483 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11/09/2005 08:51:35 PM||2452 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
11/09/2005 08:51:35 PM||Finished CPU benchmarks

Greg

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RE: RE: RE: RE: Hello

Message 18973 in response to message 18971

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Hello

You mention just one PC in your specs at the top - are you shoving RAM in and out and doing multiple re-installs, or are you the lucky possessor of lots of PCs (if this seems a daft statement - sorry I just woke up and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet..... Where I come from PCs are amazingly expensive).

Did you do any tweaking to the system/s at all, or are we talking about a stock "as recomended by Mr Bill Gates" install in all cases. While I don't suggest ripping files out of the Windows folder without any forethought, certainly the smaller that folder, the better (hence mine-own re-installs, much to the amusement of my friends) - there are certain files I remove as a matter of course tho'.

Also dropping the amount of running services in XP makes a difference, obviously, tho' again caution (and research) is required. There are one or two registry tweaks too, and things like no wall-paper, bare minimum desktop stuff (shove large folders elsewhere and make a shortcut rather) - hey I'm sure you know all this stuff, if you run all those boxes.

Gray

Hi Gary,
If you are talking to me...it is just one computer with a bunch of harddrives that I swap in and out. All of my install's are as bare bones as I can make it without resorting to third party software.

If you lookup my computers you will find two listed...they are one and the same puters...just the OS is different, and I can't merge them.

Hello Greg

The name IS Gray (just fer da record as it were) - I just went back over the benchmarks you supplied. Barring RAM you should have a rather more powerful PC than I, what with a good 400Mhz more cpu and I was REALLY suprised by your win98 benchmarks, as I found win98 simply flew on this box. XP ain't bad once it's tweaked a bit but still a tad resource hungry. I don't think the RAM really applies here, as we both have the same type and BOINC doesn't seem to push beyond 250 megs in my experience. A thought occurs - are you using Norton's antivirus or System Works by any chance. I ask 'cos back in the days of SETI Classic, when it was all we had (and 64 megs was system RAM, not that used by an out-of-date vid card...) I noticed that going from Nortons to AVG took well over an hour off my WU times, and then going to Nod32, gave me a bit more oomph again. You might also want to look at what is running in the background.

This is my latest benchmarks, with Windows Media Player 10 just installed as well as the latest BOINC. Windows folder is now around 998 megs.
1385 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
2757 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

BTW I don't overclock anything - tho' I admit to a Zalman fan or two to avoid the Jumbo Jet effects...

Gray


Hi Gray,
Sorry about the name. Other then security updates, I have Zone Alarm(the free version), Spybot, and SpyGuard on my Win98 machine. I'm sure that if I had just a basic installation this thing would run a bit faster.

My Windows folder is at 488 Meg's, the whole harddrive is at 998 Megs and this is a 40 Gig harddrive. Typically...if I recall correctly, my base install of Windows98 is about 550 Meg's.

Hello Greg

Zonealarm is fine - use it myself, and indeed anyone surfing minus this elementary precaution is either ignorant or daft, or running Linux on a router. Spybot is a good package considering that it's free: see my review at www.graydesigns.co.za under security if you want an enlarged opinion. I would say that if you are running Teatimer that would impact on performance. You don't mention an antivirus by the way. Nortons is not bad, but will impact heavily on your machine - I suggest either Nod32 or AVG, which has a free version. I know nothing about Spyguard, so can't comment there. I am somewhat taken aback about the size of the windows folder, unless you have a huge amount of games and stuff like joysticks etc. I remember mine own being closer to 200 megs in win98 initially with a slight boost for updates.

I still feel something isn't 100% on your side - my box is nothing special, although it IS a genuine pentium rather than a Celeron - so you should be creaming me in the benchmarks. Running win98 should be even faster, albeit with the inate tendency to crash more often....

Hope the above is of some help

Gray

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RE: Hello Greg Zonealarm

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Hello Greg

Zonealarm is fine - use it myself, and indeed anyone surfing minus this elementary precaution is either ignorant or daft, or running Linux on a router. Spybot is a good package considering that it's free: see my review at www.graydesigns.co.za under security if you want an enlarged opinion. I would say that if you are running Teatimer that would impact on performance. You don't mention an antivirus by the way. Nortons is not bad, but will impact heavily on your machine - I suggest either Nod32 or AVG, which has a free version. I know nothing about Spyguard, so can't comment there. I am somewhat taken aback about the size of the windows folder, unless you have a huge amount of games and stuff like joysticks etc. I remember mine own being closer to 200 megs in win98 initially with a slight boost for updates.

I still feel something isn't 100% on your side - my box is nothing special, although it IS a genuine pentium rather than a Celeron - so you should be creaming me in the benchmarks. Running win98 should be even faster, albeit with the inate tendency to crash more often....

Hope the above is of some help

Gray


Hi Gray,
You are correct about the base install size...about 200+ megs. I'm installing AVG on this system shortly. SpywareGuard,SpywareBlaster,MRU-Blaster,Zone Labs and BOINC are all the current extra items added to my system.

The Microsoft updates really add to the overhead of this system. In the system I'v turned off all read ahead for the harddrive, floppy, CD-Rom. I've also pulled back the amount of colors for the video display from 32bit to 16bit.

This version of 98 is from 1999, still a SE, but IE 4.X.X. When ever I buy computers I buy the case, motherboard, cpu, and ram. I use old harddrives which are slower then 7200rpm. This is the first time I've used a new one, harddrive that is.

Greg

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RE: RE: Hello

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Hello Greg

Zonealarm is fine - use it myself, and indeed anyone surfing minus this elementary precaution is either ignorant or daft, or running Linux on a router. Spybot is a good package considering that it's free: see my review at www.graydesigns.co.za under security if you want an enlarged opinion. I would say that if you are running Teatimer that would impact on performance. You don't mention an antivirus by the way. Nortons is not bad, but will impact heavily on your machine - I suggest either Nod32 or AVG, which has a free version. I know nothing about Spyguard, so can't comment there. I am somewhat taken aback about the size of the windows folder, unless you have a huge amount of games and stuff like joysticks etc. I remember mine own being closer to 200 megs in win98 initially with a slight boost for updates.

I still feel something isn't 100% on your side - my box is nothing special, although it IS a genuine pentium rather than a Celeron - so you should be creaming me in the benchmarks. Running win98 should be even faster, albeit with the inate tendency to crash more often....

Hope the above is of some help

Gray


Hi Gray,
You are correct about the base install size...about 200+ megs. I'm installing AVG on this system shortly. SpywareGuard,SpywareBlaster,MRU-Blaster,Zone Labs and BOINC are all the current extra items added to my system.

The Microsoft updates really add to the overhead of this system. In the system I'v turned off all read ahead for the harddrive, floppy, CD-Rom. I've also pulled back the amount of colors for the video display from 32bit to 16bit.

This version of 98 is from 1999, still a SE, but IE 4.X.X. When ever I buy computers I buy the case, motherboard, cpu, and ram. I use old harddrives which are slower then 7200rpm. This is the first time I've used a new one, harddrive that is.

Hi Greg

Sorry about the delay in replying - you seem to have a lot of anti-spyware apps there - nothing really wrong with that I guess, but using Mozilla's Firefox should prevent most of the spyware accessing the system. If you do use Firefox remember to add in the following setting: type "about:config" - minus quotation marks - in the address window and hit enter. This gives you access to hidden tweaks. Look for "network.enableIDN" (again minus quotation marks) and set that to FALSE. Once that is done you should be able to choose just one of the antispyware apps. Remember that if whatever apps you have installed run all the time, this eats into the cpu cycles. I do the odd spyware scan, just before going to my bank for instance, or to any other place where a password is required. You might want to type in "msconfig" under the start/run panel and thereby see what is running on the system. Going to the registry and looking
what is under HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run might also show up stuff that runs at start-up. Just be careful what you delete here !! At the moment in XP I have 3 items in the registry under the "Run" folder - NVida card driver, antivirus and firewall. There are numerous services which come to a total of 21 with BOINC turned on and running in my XP box. In win98 there is no access to the services really. You might want to delete the media files in the windows folder, and I seem to remember removing most of the *.cnt, *.hlp and *.chm files from the help folder too. You might want to just remove them elsewhere for the moment, in case one or 2 are needed - but I don't think this was the case (2 years back now - be warned !) XP does require certain app.hlp and app.cnt files, so if you have them, keep them in win98 too for the moment.

I cannort comment on the read ahead that you have turned off - but if you have enough RAM then surely this should should not be too much of an issue ?

Hope this helps

Gray

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Hi Gray, Good to hear from

Hi Gray,
Good to hear from you...I'm still using IE...thought about using Firefox but never did get around to it. Since my last writing I've rebuilt the system, now I just have ZoneAlarm.

I have return to Boinc 4.45...Sztaki Grid seem's to have problems dealing with Boinc 5.X.X.. Now I just go about processing WU's without any issues. I'll just have to set this thing up correctly...starting with the Bios.

Greg

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RE: Hi Gray, Good to hear

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Hi Gray,
Good to hear from you...I'm still using IE...thought about using Firefox but never did get around to it. Since my last writing I've rebuilt the system, now I just have ZoneAlarm.

I have return to Boinc 4.45...Sztaki Grid seem's to have problems dealing with Boinc 5.X.X.. Now I just go about processing WU's without any issues. I'll just have to set this thing up correctly...starting with the Bios.

Hello Greg

Eerm... you really want to be careful using IE - guaranteed to work with all known nasties unless you lock it down, and anyway it is slow and doesn't use tabs (a really stunningly useful idea). Give Firefox a try ! You can get it here http://www.mozilla.org/

I'm using the RC3 candidate and quite happy with it - an especially handy feature is the Ctrl+Shift+Delete which clears the cache, history, cookies, authenticated sessions and even passwords if you wish - Firefox can remember passwords on a page by page basis if you wish. I could not go back to IE ever !

I must admit that the latest version of BOINC results in slower crunching it would seem, tho' whether this is because of out-of-date client software or whether BOINC code is just growing too big I am not sure - version 5.2.8 is the latest and I am running that, as it seems pretty bug-free and stable on my box. I tend towards stability rather than high speed (believe it or not) - I don't mind formatting, but want to do it 'cos I discovered some new tweak, rather than 'cos I cannot get the system to work...

Cheers - Gray

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RE: version 5.2.8 is the

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version 5.2.8 is the latest


Newsflash... 5.2.11 is the latest. :)

# Changes since 5.2.10

* Win: Fixes the option to allow people being able to launch the wizard until after a connection to the core client has been established.

# Changes since 5.2.9

* Win: Fixes a BOINC Manager connection issue when the manager is waiting on a firewall for the all clear. This generally happens after a reboot.

# Changes since 5.2.8

* Win: Fixes the 'connection failed' message when another program is using the BOINC communication port.

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RE: RE: version 5.2.8 is

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version 5.2.8 is the latest

Newsflash... 5.2.11 is the latest. :)

# Changes since 5.2.10

* Win: Fixes the option to allow people being able to launch the wizard until after a connection to the core client has been established.

# Changes since 5.2.9

* Win: Fixes a BOINC Manager connection issue when the manager is waiting on a firewall for the all clear. This generally happens after a reboot.

# Changes since 5.2.8

* Win: Fixes the 'connection failed' message when another program is using the BOINC communication port.

That would make 3 new version just today!

Kathryn :o)

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