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Listening to CBC Ideas

Listening to CBC Ideas Podcast called ' The Deniers' I would like to share... It almost an hour long
This is explanation by the deniers'

The Deniers

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Listening to CBC Ideas Podcast called ' The Deniers' I would like to share... It almost an hour long
This is explanation by the deniers'

The Deniers


'Deniers' is a clever label indeed. A subtle derogation that implies deliberate falsehood without actually being specific.

I recall Lenin's smart move of labelling his opponents Mencheviks - 'minoritorians' - versus his cadre of Bolsheviks - 'majoritorians' - after a party vote which barely went his way. He cleverly polarised the issues where there was little actual dissent. Turned grey into black/white, and not because the issue needed such clarity but purely to guide the discourse. He needed a lever to control the group.

This has been happening in Aussie politics for decades - all flavours. No one seems to care about reality one way or another. Find the catch phrase, highlight your agenda and sneak in some legislation under the radar. Our 'environment minister' has just approved another DownUnda uranium mine. Barely two years ago he was vividly decrying the then Howard Government ( who hesitated, and then didn't make the same decision ) for poisoning our children's heritage, kow-towing to the big nasty mining companies, making Australia a dumping ground for the world's nuclear waste, feeding rogue nuclear states ..... yada, yada, yada. Of course he would never do such a thing, if elected. They are shameless.

Sometimes I think people like global warming, and not because it's true or untrue. But simply because they like the ideas and want a weapon to control their governments, who have been treating their populaces like crap for some time. They want influence regardless of the pretext.

Cheers, Mike.

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RE: RE: Listening to CBC

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Listening to CBC Ideas Podcast called ' The Deniers' I would like to share... It almost an hour long
This is explanation by the deniers'

The Deniers


'Deniers' is a clever label indeed. A subtle derogation that implies deliberate falsehood without actually being specific.

I recall Lenin's smart move of labelling his opponents Mencheviks - 'minoritorians' - versus his cadre of Bolsheviks - 'majoritorians' - after a party vote which barely went his way. He cleverly polarised the issues where there was little actual dissent. Turned grey into black/white, and not because the issue needed such clarity but purely to guide the discourse. He needed a lever to control the group.

This has been happening in Aussie politics for decades - all flavours. No one seems to care about reality one way or another. Find the catch phrase, highlight your agenda and sneak in some legislation under the radar. Our 'environment minister' has just approved another DownUnda uranium mine. Barely two years ago he was vividly decrying the then Howard Government ( who hesitated, and then didn't make the same decision ) for poisoning our children's heritage, kow-towing to the big nasty mining companies, making Australia a dumping ground for the world's nuclear waste, feeding rogue nuclear states ..... yada, yada, yada. Of course he would never do such a thing, if elected. They are shameless.

Sometimes I think people like global warming, and not because it's true or untrue. But simply because they like the ideas and want a weapon to control their governments, who have been treating their populaces like crap for some time. They want influence regardless of the pretext.

Cheers, Mike.

My introduction was scant . The quest is a well respected environmentalist who wrote a book called ' The Deniers'. He is a self proclaimed denier which a label supplied by the main stream thinking today and its a well balance look at how the media with the help of some scientists proclaimed that man made CO2 was primary cause of Global warming. He points out there is still a lot of science left to be done and that the scientists that go against the main stream are being ostracized to the point they and their universities are loosing their funding . I suggest if anybody has the time listen to the Podcast.

There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold

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RE: My introduction was

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My introduction was scant . The quest is a well respected environmentalist who wrote a book called ' The Deniers'. He is a self proclaimed denier which a label supplied by the main stream thinking today and its a well balance look at how the media with the help of some scientists proclaimed that man made CO2 was primary cause of Global warming. He points out there is still a lot of science left to be done and that the scientists that go against the main stream are being ostracized to the point they and their universities are loosing their funding . I suggest if anybody has the time listen to the Podcast.


I agree - I'd listened to the cast - it's very well presented. I was just commenting upon the process that led to the initial creation of the label. One plays the man, not the ball. It's almost ancient Greek rhetoric technique re-cast in a modern mold.

Here's a terrific piece by George Orwell ( written in 1954 ) that illustrates how one can very easily subvert simple communication.

As I've said before, the deeper risk is a growing backlash against some really good environmental ideas and plans due to the behaviour of a relatively small minority of participants.

Cheers, Mike.

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. Blaise Pascal

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Here's a terrific piece by George Orwell ( written in 1954 ) that illustrates how one can very easily subvert simple communication.

Cheers, Mike.

I must have been reading specs too long.. but those passages were very difficult for me to read..:-)

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Yesterday was Earth

Yesterday was Earth Overshoot Day ...

What does your footprint look like??

Mine is 8 Global Hectares with the Canadian average of 7.1.

They published their methodology...So pick away :-)

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I guess it sort like

I guess it sort like predicting the weather long term :-)

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RE: I guess it sort like

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I guess it sort like predicting the weather long term :-)

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I liked this :

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“If we had observations of the future, we obviously would trust them more than models, but unfortunately observations of the future are not available at this time.â€


Nice one! Poor chap will probably be labelled a 'denier' now! No wonder people don't trust scientists any more - after the Cold War, Y2K, black holes at the LHC ....

Believe or not there is an ad for car insurance running DownUnda now, which attempts to link global warming with their product - in a favourable sense of course. And also I heard a petroleum company rep talking of aviation gasoline on the weekend ie. his mob producing 'better' stuff environmentally than competitors despite no variation in the composition, octane and what-not of the fuel. He was quite light on the detail of why/how, so maybe they are just using fewer paper cups in the workers' cafeteria down at the refinery. :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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RE: Nice one! Poor chap

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Nice one! Poor chap will probably be labelled a 'denier' now! No wonder people don't trust scientists any more - after the Cold War, Y2K, black holes at the LHC ....

Maybe it is the same people that
regard 'The Economist' as a scientific source ;)

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Back to back years here in

Back to back years here in Washington with record cold night temperatures during this week in October.

I would rather have it warmer so I use less electricity and burn fewer wood pellets to keep the house warm this winter.

I need to figure out a way to make it 65 degrees every day of the year (outside)

 

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