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Ah.. A person after my own

Ah.. A person after my own heart.. An happening librarian.. :-)

Grey Literature Considered Harmful??

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RE: Ah.. A person after my

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Ah.. A person after my own heart.. An happening librarian.. :-)

Grey Literature Considered Harmful


Cogent. Certainly in the climatology field 'peer review' has taken a hammering, so the urge to buttress from elsewhere is understandable. Some notable points :

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.... or they'll be overwhelmed with axe-grinding bizarrerie from outside the field ....

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.... Neither the social scientists nor the climate scientists realized that they didn't have the same standards for reliable, citable previous work. ....

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.... make better science and better data open access ....


Personally I think 'grey literature' is fine, by the definition as listed, but should be used to advise public policy ( or be funded by public money ) only if/when it is clearly and vividly declared as such. Claiming a level of validity when none exists is simply fraud, and sadly will detract from the overall impact of those elements that are scientifically secure. The key point here is that it is all their own work ( selection of sources ), the good bit being they can readily fix that within their own realm.

Cheers, Mike.

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. Blaise Pascal

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.... make better science and better data open access ....

Personally I think 'grey literature' is fine, by the definition as listed, but should be used to advise public policy ( or be funded by public money ) only if/when it is clearly and vividly declared as such. Claiming a level of validity when none exists is simply fraud, and sadly will detract from the overall impact of those elements that are scientifically secure. The key point here is that it is all their own work ( selection of sources ), the good bit being they can readily fix that within their own realm.

Cheers, Mike.

I am sorry, I do not understand the word fraud in this case.. In whose eyes..:-)

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We have tendency to bad mouth

We have tendency to bad mouth the bad things. It time to expose some of the good things that happen..

Gas Up Coal and C02 down sharply ..

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Yes I know its a recession but its about trends.. And free and dynamic society will solve its problems... guaranteed..

There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold

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Rewriting The Science An

Rewriting The Science

An old but intresting story from the land of the free mind ;)

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NASA is now speaking loud and

NASA is now speaking loud and clear:
Oceans warmup
Tullio

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Rewriting The Science

An old but intresting story from the land of the free mind ;)

There is no such thing as a free mind, only no mind:-)

There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold

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RE: So while Al Gore says

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So while Al Gore says that the Greenland ice sheet is a key indicator of warming, he didn't complete the sentence by mentioning that it's over 1 metre thicker and several thousand square km's broader than ~ 20yrs ago. Oh, and by the way - he is carbon credit broker.

Does that mean he got the Nobel Prize for nothing?

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See this NASA

See this NASA article:
Greenland
They have been flying all over Greenland with radar equipped planes to measure the thickness of the ice sheet, after doing the same in Antarctica.
Tullio

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RE: RE: So while Al Gore

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So while Al Gore says that the Greenland ice sheet is a key indicator of warming, he didn't complete the sentence by mentioning that it's over 1 metre thicker and several thousand square km's broader than ~ 20yrs ago. Oh, and by the way - he is carbon credit broker.
Does that mean he got the Nobel Prize for nothing?

No. You have to be a loyer to cal an ice lost of 195 cubic kilometers per year
an indication of global cooling ;)

The folowing is taken from Wikipedia

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The area of the sheet that experiences melting has increased about 16% from 1979 (when measurements started) to 2002 (most recent data). The area of melting in 2002 broke all previous records.[4] The number of glacial earthquakes at the Helheim Glacier and the northwest Greenland glaciers increased substantially between 1993 and 2005.[5] In 2006, estimated monthly changes in the mass of Greenland's ice sheet suggest that it is melting at a rate of about 239 cubic kilometers (57 cu mi) per year. A more recent study, based on reprocessed and improved data between 2003 and 2008, reports an average trend of 195 cubic kilometers (47 cu mi) per year.[6] These measurements came from the US space agency's GRACE (Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment) satellite, launched in 2002, as reported by BBC.[7] Using data from two ground-observing satellites, ICESAT and ASTER, a study published in Geophysical Research Letters (September 2008) shows that nearly 75 percent of the loss of Greenland's ice can be traced back to small coastal glaciers.[8]
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