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Mike Hewson
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They really ought have left

They really ought have left the name 'Copenhagen' alone. What were they thinking? DownUnda it's morphed already into 'Dopenhagen' and 'Jokenhagen' ! :-)

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Glaciers melt in

Glaciers melt in Bolivia:
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An enjoyable article from

An enjoyable article from Slate ( At least I think so..:-)

The Apocalypse Is Not Upon US

Edit: After reading Tullio's Link.. It boils down who should pay? That's a complex question for the developed world. Its what is politically possible. These days, Its that a majority of the developed world citizens are just trying to make ends meet.

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RE: An enjoyable article

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An enjoyable article from Slate ( At least I think so..:-)

The Apocalypse Is Not Upon US

Edit: After reading Tullio's Link.. It boils down who should pay? That's a complex question for the developed world. Its what is politically possible. These days, Its that a majority of the developed world citizens are just trying to make ends meet.


Bismarck said 'politics is the art of the possible' - so in that regard the Copenhagen 'results' to date are really no great surprise.

We could certainly do without the rent-a-riot crowds that turn up!

Those proposing we are 'cancer blight on the Earth' never seem to lead by example in the obvious solution to that though. :-)

DownUnda, at least, the general view is if we're going to be taxed on this then at least spend it on alternatives to carbon and whatnot ( ie. regardless of the scientific merit of GW evidence ). Trouble is, it seems that will be clearly the last thing the current Rudd government intends. They have persistently resisted all inquiries - on the detail of how the $14 billion AUD per year will be spent, currently it is only marked as 'general revenue'.

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This is hard on the heels ( July 2009 ) of burial of schemes that rebate/subsidise domestic solar heating, solar and wind power installations - plus approval of the first new uranium mine lease in 25+ years! Most have concluded the usual deals have been done b/w the respective businesses and the pollies in the traditional backroom way.


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Ruddy did a Motherhood And Apple Pie piece yesterday - accepting crayon drawings from second graders to present at Copenhagen. This after failing to get the ETS through parliament, notably without even the support of the green senators.


Labor no longer even converse with the green parties, and indeed haven't for some time. [ For the first time in over a generation it looks like they won't be exchanging voting preferences at the ballot box next election ]. It thus looks to be simply a correction for the massive overspend and deficit created since Howard was booted out. This has pretty well poisoned the issue in the public arena - he'll talk with quite young school age children but not to the electorate or taxpayers or even other politicians. [ personally I think the guy is in way over his head on this, in the intellectual sense, so has defaulted to a 'say nothing' approach. ] In that regard apocalyptic scenarios can have many uses, a sort of all purpose horse to ride on to your destination of choice, and rapidly spends credibility currency - like Chicken Little. :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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The Nepal government has held

The Nepal government has held a Cabinet meeting at the Everest base camp at 5600 meters height, to warn about the danger of the melting of Himalaya glaciers which are feeding rivers like Indo, on whose water millions of people depend. Who will pay? The poor, of course.
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RE: The Nepal government

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The Nepal government has held a Cabinet meeting at the Everest base camp at 5600 meters height, to warn about the danger of the melting of Himalaya glaciers which are feeding rivers like Indo, on whose water millions of people depend. Who will pay? The poor, of course.
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I think the developed world will step up to the plate eventually. I think it is counter productive to try and accomplish all goals at one time. Producing a treaty that maybe be nobel and can't get ratified in various legislatures serves no purpose. We learnt that when US Senate failed to ratify Kyoto.

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RE: I think the developed

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I think the developed world will step up to the plate eventually. I think it is counter productive to try and accomplish all goals at one time. Producing a treaty that maybe be nobel and can't get ratified in various legislatures serves no purpose. We learnt that when US Senate failed to ratify Kyoto.


As a former mountain climber I was always fascinated by the Himalaya peaks. Annapurna was the first 8000 meters peak climbed by men, then came Everest and K2.
But the focus now is not on the peaks but on the valleys below them. A sad story:
Himalayas
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.... and can't get ratified in various legislatures serves no purpose. We learnt that when US Senate failed to ratify Kyoto.


A lesson being learnt here. You do need to at least talk with the legislatures, earnestly, and not leave it to some sort of media circus to translate it virally. Our 'global warming minister' ( for want of a better description ) seems to have been chosen for her gender and ethnicity ( in order to have available the relevant cards to play should she get into strife ) - but evidently not selected for her knowledge on the subject or her ability to communicate it. Her minders have virtually stopped media access to her, as all her previous outings invited ridicule from all players. We need quality people for these issues, not polished party hacks.

The ETS pricing DownUnda seems to be of the order of $1100 - $1900 AUD per household, per year. Mechanism being taxation of the energy companies, who thus pass the cost on via metering on a per consumption basis. [ I predict a boom in household alternative energy installations for those that can afford it - subsidy or none ]. This implies that the many households with limited/fixed income will be hardest hit. Oddly this is pretty well Labor heartland in voting terms - which probably explains why it took a leadership challenge within the Opposition to have the figures revealed at all. It is rumoured that 'Kevin 747' stays away from Australia so much in order to avoid question time in parliament ...... mind you, I think there are some countries in this world that he hasn't yet visited! :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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You probably have guessed

You probably have guessed that I am not a fan of large negotiated multi national treaties. I think the proper place to regulate carbon is the World Trade Organization.

This article is a little off topic but it illustrates at least to me on how to solve world problems like public health that maybe even might work for climate change..

Public Safety

Edit; With regard to Tuillo's link. Climate Change whether we can control it or not is going to result in mass migrations which will results in stress on resources, which will result in strife and wars, which will result in threats to public safety

Unseen Sahara

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Copenhagen... It was

Copenhagen... It was expected.. I think people have to realize that the world is a complex place and it doesn't work the same way our little individual pissant countries work.

Edit: The best reporting that I have seen so far has to our left leaning

Globe and Mail

There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot. - Aldo Leopold

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